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Offline Kurn

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2006, 01:05:49 AM »
Quote from: "PolandsLeftTesticle"
But blind cover fire is okay, I guess.

No, it is not.  

The reason blind firing is dangerous and should not be done is beacuse you don't what is in front of your weapon.  For example: you are behind cover, taking fire.  You know there is no one close to you, so you stick your gun around the edge of your cover and fire off a few shots.  What you don't know is that a second before you did this, somone ran up to your cover.  So when you make those shots, your weapon is inches away from their face.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 01:09:50 AM »
It might look effective in the movies, but it doesn't sound very safe in actual practice. Maybe if your life was really on the line...

But then again I'm only a noob.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2006, 01:16:43 AM »
Well, then, that short animation convinced me.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2006, 03:08:05 AM »
Blind firing usually means hitting your teammates more than you hit the enemy anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2006, 05:04:21 AM »
Yes blind fire is wrong and is never done....




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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2006, 09:09:23 AM »
don't do it! one shot one kill! :)
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2006, 09:39:05 AM »
Blind fire is not practiced in real life situations. Why can American Special Forces squads of 8-10 men  take on a group of 30-40 men insurgents and come out clean? Which has been done time and time again is different theaters! Cause of the accuracy and training for precision fire and tactics. You can chaulk up blind fire with the spray and pray method used by insurgents.

Not to mention it's dangerous and it's a NOOB TACTIC!! Just like shooting from the hip. :twisted:
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2006, 10:08:40 AM »
Just to throw a wrinkle into the conversation, but it's pertinent to a project I'm working on.

I'm building a real-time Gun Camera rig consisting of a battery operated video camera/recorder and a 7" LCD TV that connects via USB. The rig is patteren on a camera system being deployed to SF units in Iraq.

If I can ID the target and control fire, would that still be "blind-firing"? Technically, no - but....
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2006, 10:31:18 AM »
Im glad to see most of the young guys are experts on the subject  :roll:

There would be very very few instances where blind fire would have any chance of being effective in the real world.  If I am in a world of hurt, im going to make sure my shots take down as many of the enemy before I go down and you can't do that by praying a bullet hits someone.  Its a good method to run low on ammo or have to do a mag change when you really need that critical shot.  If I were a soldier out in the field and saw someone blind firing, it tells me that the enemy is completely devestated. They are mentally shaken, because they believe that they are so suppressed that they cant even peer around thier cover.  This is when you move and flank to take out the enemy.  

But in airsoft, it is never acceptable to blind fire.  99% of the time you wont be successful and we dont want that 1% getting lit up in the face at 10-100ft.  That is not cool at all, and if you are that pinned down anyway, you are already dead  :lol:
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2006, 10:49:25 AM »
Don't do it, its fucking stupid. :!:
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2006, 11:35:01 AM »
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Blind fire is not practiced in real life situations. Why can American Special Forces squads of 8-10 men  take on a group of 30-40 men insurgents and come out clean? quote]

Thats probably because the intense training they go through and the experience they have. It would be more likley (yet still very rare) for a 19 year old kid in the army to be inclined to blindfire, compared to a 30 year old green barret who's seen handfulls of combat missions.

I totally agree on the fact that in airsoft it's very unsafe, not fair, and is a noob tactic.
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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2006, 01:33:24 PM »
It's also considered cheating; Airsoft bbs don’t go though the many things that would not be considered cover in real life. So as the attacker it’s unfair that that noob could tag you on a lucky shot from behind that thin sheet of 'whatever'. Try learning some other tactics that "minimize" your exposer to the enemy such as snap shooting, "cutting the pie", and actually understanding the physical dynamics of tactical shooting/CQB, most importantly effective use of cover.
Do not rationalize blind firing as effective use of cover; this is just something noobs do, get it out of your head. Switch to a different tactic (assuming you have some)

It also potentially promotes the attacking side to cheating, "if you can’t see what you hit, you can’t see that its hit"
It also potentially aggravates the attacker if it’s obvious blind firing, when gets his sights on you, don’t expect him to be courteous with the rate of fire.

As far as remote aiming, that’s a different story, Cool project, but there is lots of things that could be created to keep the shooter from being hit but this is airsoft it hit or be hit "sport" and like I said above it has its reasons for being unfair. It is clearly stated in the rules for larger events about these types of devices, and I don’t think it will be ever adopted for Airsoft, maybe for scouting purposes only but never to give an unfair advantage in a firefight.

Also please do not responded about, how "in combat every advantage over your enemy is the goal". Or some thing like that, I'm just talking about airsoft here.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2006, 11:07:35 AM »
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In CQB blind firing is at it's most dangerous....I've got some scars to prove it, and anyone who's been stuck in a narrow corridor while some idiot blind fires in full auto (especially with guns chrono'd over 350) can definetly tell you how much it sucks.


Happened to me at the OP: Dark Harvest, the CQB limit was 400 FPS I believe.  People were blind firing like no other inside there at one point, making penetration of the building nearly impossible.
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