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Offline Kileyhaz

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Stickey Request: Arizona AO's List
« on: January 10, 2008, 01:06:25 PM »
Would like to start a consolidated thread that contains links to various forum posts and webpages with AO directions for all of Arizona.  This is based on the suggestions and feedback here:

http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/v ... hp?t=18044

I can amend this post and make it a living thread as I start to find my way around the Phoenix AOs that are permissible to post.

DISCLAIMER:
I have listed the access issues on each of these as well as the current permission status’s I know of at this time.  This by no means guarantees you will not have a run in with a Law enforcement agency or encounter permissions issues with these venues.  Please, do yourself and all of us a favor and check the latest permission status’s out on a venue before you slate it and if you are approached by an LEO be sure to put your replica’s on the ground and follow all of their instructions.  We want to be sure that our sport is not portrayed in a negative light, these venues remain accessible, and no one gets hurt.


Site List:

Copper Creek
Description:  Medium density woodland.  AO is located north east of Tucson and south east of Florence near the town of Mammoth.  Two sites are usable, one in the flood plain near town en route to the canyon and another up the Canyon near the ghost town of Copper Creek.

Rights: No formal rights have been procured for this site at this time. Likely hood of legal play: High

http://tucsoncoalition.com/modules.php? ... pic&t=1134


Sasco
Description: Scrub desert with some ruined structures.  AO is located north west of Tucson and south of Pichacho peak near the town of Redrock.  Two sites are usable, one is a dense foliage wash near and ruined cobblestone farm house and the other is the ruins of the ghost town of Sasco.

Rights: No formal rights have been procured for this site at this time.  It is unposted private property and not state trust land (unless you cross the mountain west of the ruins).  It's worth mentioning that law enforcement may approach players thinking its state trust land so play at own risk.  Likely hood of legal play: High

http://tucsoncoalition.com/modules.php? ... opic&t=740


Missle Tank
Description: Scrub desert with some denser foliage around the dry reservoir area.  AO is located south east of Tucson and north of Greaterville on old Sonoita Highway.

Rights: No formal rights have been procured for this site at this time.  Access to the site runs through posted private property so play at your own risk.  Likely hood of legal play: Low

http://tucsoncoalition.com/modules.php? ... opic&t=695


Santa Rita Battlegrounds
Description: Lightly forested hills.  AO is located south east of Tucson near Greaterville on Box Canyon Road.

Rights: TAC has formal rights from the forest service to use this land in conjunction with bio bb's, contact kileyhaz with your request to use this land 2 weeks or more before your event.  Likely hood of legal play: Guaranteed

http://tucsoncoalition.com/modules.php? ... pic&t=1163


Tucson NWOpsite
Description: River delta with a mix of desert and heavily forested river banks.  AO is located north of Tucson and south of Redrock near Marana.  Players must park near the main road and walk into the AO on foot.

Rights: TAC has verbal permission from land owners to use this site.  Likely hood of legal play: High

http://tucsoncoalition.com/modules.php? ... opic&t=706
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 01:12:13 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SASCO officially on the no go list now?
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 01:27:18 PM »
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SASCO officially on the no go list now?


Excellent point, here is why its back off that list as a ‘use at your own risk’
Pinal deputies asked a group to leave 2 months ago based on it being state trust land.  Research with agency that manages that land shows that the ruins and everything east of it is not state trust and privately held by a development company in Tempe.  This makes the land un-posted private property which is usable under AZ state law unless the owner files a complaint or posts it as no trespassing.  That said, we have a leg to stand on with Pinal sheriff if need be, I can provide a copy of the map showing the state trust boundaries if anyone is interested in carrying that with them into an event.  One of our board members is following up with the Pinal county Sheriffs office to ensure they have the same understanding of the boundaries.

On a related note, the TAC board is looking into the purchase on the land the ruins are on right now.  State records show it was purchased rather cheaply and we may be able to pick it up at a rate that would be achievable through fund raising and donations.  We’ll be sure to inform the airsoft community in Arizona if that is the case.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 04:57:42 PM »
Kinda funny ..

I talked to the Ranger service about what land we are allowed to use.. This also was asked to a DPS officer..

State trust land is allowed to be used end of story. Only people that might give problems are the sheriffs. By problems ... Just harassment.

the DPS officer said the same thing state trust land is allowed to be used by anyone. The only thing the Ranger service told me was to not play in a "Park" other than that as long as it is not a motor vehicle and no real steel you are allowed.

I have the contact information of who told me this if you need to know
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 05:58:33 PM »
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Kinda funny ..

I talked to the Ranger service about what land we are allowed to use.. This also was asked to a DPS officer..

State trust land is allowed to be used end of story. Only people that might give problems are the sheriffs. By problems ... Just harassment.

the DPS officer said the same thing state trust land is allowed to be used by anyone. The only thing the Ranger service told me was to not play in a "Park" other than that as long as it is not a motor vehicle and no real steel you are allowed.

I have the contact information of who told me this if you need to know

Hmmm...  SilverLogic, your answer raises more questions then answers them.  From the Arizona State Land Department Website:

http://www.land.state.az.us/support/faqs.htm

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Arizona State Trust lands are not  "public lands", as are Federal lands under the management of the U.S. Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management. Federal "public lands" are managed for the benefit and use of the public, while State Trust lands are managed for the benefit of 14 Trust beneficiaries, which include the public schools and prisons. The Land Department's trust management responsibilities include requiring a permit or lease and charging a fee for use of Trust land. Exceptions to this requirement are licensed hunters and fishers, actively pursuing game or fish, in-season, and certain archaeological activities permitted by the Arizona State Museum.

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Activities not allowed include, but are not limited to, target shooting, sighting-in of weapons, paint ball games, fireworks, extended camping, visiting archaeological sites (historic and prehistoric), metal detecting and removal of natural products (rocks, cactus wood, soil, sand, plants, etc.).



While they don't call out airsoft singly they do specifically say that real steel and paintball or explicitly forbidden (airsoft sort of falls in between them if you ask me).  So all that said it would appear they explicitly think of airsoft in a different light then real steal or paintall,  your source is incorrect, or the website is incorrect.  Any chance your source could get us a document, in writing, from authorities that be, that says its cool?
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 06:29:08 PM »
Well this may be in regards to the "targeted area" that I asked him about.

I talked to both him and the DPS officer and they said they see paintballers and Atvers out here all the time and they leave them alone.

I can call and bring this up however for you in regards to your area.  The area in question  am talking about is all the state trust land east on the 60 outside of Gilbert in AJ.


This includes by Gate 1 and 2 and farther.

I will call and see if I can produce a document for you guys in regards to Sasco and all state trust giving direct permission.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 06:34:32 AM »
Quote from: "SilverLogic"
Well this may be in regards to the "targeted area" that I asked him about.

I talked to both him and the DPS officer and they said they see paintballers and Atvers out here all the time and they leave them alone.

I can call and bring this up however for you in regards to your area.  The area in question  am talking about is all the state trust land east on the 60 outside of Gilbert in AJ.


This includes by Gate 1 and 2 and farther.

I will call and see if I can produce a document for you guys in regards to Sasco and all state trust giving direct permission.


That would so much rock!  Thanks SilverLogic.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2008, 01:26:27 PM »
i would really appreciate it if the east valley (chandler, queen creek,mesa) were also included in the search for AO's, it's really.. interesting looking for places over here. just thought i'd put my 2cents in, thanks.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 01:53:57 PM »
Four Peaks is the closest spot that we use for us out in the East Valley, doesn't take long at all to get there.
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