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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2010, 02:04:59 AM »
i've ordered from them a handful of times including guns and parts. They haven't messed up my orders. If you call and verify that what your ordering is in stock then their shouldn't be an issue at all.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2010, 01:03:52 PM »
I would reccomend a G4 gun from ASGI. Preferably the G4-18. It comes lipo ready, pretty accurate, and its a G&G base gun which are pretty reliable. It also has the blowback capability which is pretty nice.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2010, 06:31:21 PM »
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With CA and TM, you are paying for quality control, better materials (for the most part), and usually much better performance.

Sorry, I need to laugh for a minute... When you pay for a CA you dont pay for quality control, better materials OR better performance... I can't stress how few good things I can say about stock CA's.  I've owned 3, all three sucked hard, two of them purchased in CA's "Hayday".  I know a lot of players here in AZ have had great luck with theirs, but mine where horrid.  Shoddy pistons, shoddy wiring, horrible paint and horrible motors with "functional" hop up units and bleh barrels.  If your goal is to gut an AR, you are better off with any number of AEG's (G&G included) then purchasing a CA.

I can't think of a single company of the dozen or so brands I've owned, that ever had such horrible switch units that they fried out on 8.4v 3500 mAh larges after a few rounds...  None of my 3 CA's (2 M14's and an M15A4) would pull an M120 reliably on that 8.4v 3500 mAh large battery.  Pistons that failed at the thought of pulling the M120 for more than 10,000 rounds and switch units that burn out far too quickily.  God could not maricle a working CA to me and have me take it.  I simply wont do it.

For the price, there are better AEG's on the market than any of the CA's.  Really, unless you are looking something that only CA makes or makes with a metal body (G3's) I would give them a pass.  Get a G&G, like the G4 blowbacks from ASGI or one of the proline models or an ICS or something other than a CA... please...

Geez, doesn't sound like a good time.  To be honest, I've never owned a CA, but a lot of people seem to be satisfied with them.  I have heard of some stories similar to yours of people owning CAs plagued with problems.  Supposedly, the problems CA has had have been fixed.  They offer a 60 day warranty now through Spartan Imports.  The new CAs seem to be pretty solid guns.  (haven't purchased one myself)  My point was mainly that high end companies offer a lot better quality control  (every company is going to have lemons obviously) and what not. I wouldn't want a CA if I went through those problems you have had.  I do argee that a lot of companies offer better guns for the price CA charges. (comparing brands on paper at least)  The new KWA series seems to be fantastic, but they do have some proprietary parts.  

No gun is perfect, but from my experience, an upgraded clone usually won't shoot as well as an upgraded high end.  Clones can give people some pretty good headaches when upgrading.  However, sometimes you get those "magical" clones that were made really well.  For me, I usually end up dumping a lot more money into a clone to get it shooting well than I would if I started with a better base gun.  

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This is True but to each their own i guess It all depends on how much money your willing to dish out for the gun and eventually the upgrades that you want to do with the gun, True CA and the other high end companies will have a better quality control is it worth paying 300+ dollars for that quality control when you could take a "less" superior gun say an echo 1 and pay the 225$ (i.e.) and take that spare 75$ and upgrade the parts and end up with a much superior gun

(granted all things being equal metal body, hop up's, Etc.)

It hasn't really been like that for me.  I started with a $200 SRC G36K and ended up probably dropping a good $200 into it.  It DEFINITELY doesn't even come close to shooting as well as a KWA.  I would be really surprised if you can get an E1 metal body M4 to shoot as well as a KWA with only $75 worth of parts.

Don't get me wrong, clones are great starter guns and can sometimes be better bases than some high end guns if your budget is limited.  It depends on the situation.  

For the OP, a G&G sportline sounds like what you want.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2010, 09:40:16 PM »
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Geez, doesn't sound like a good time.  To be honest, I've never owned a CA, but a lot of people seem to be satisfied with them.  I have heard of some stories similar to yours of people owning CAs plagued with problems.  Supposedly, the problems CA has had have been fixed.  They offer a 60 day warranty now through Spartan Imports.  The new CAs seem to be pretty solid guns.  (haven't purchased one myself)  My point was mainly that high end companies offer a lot better quality control  (every company is going to have lemons obviously) and what not. I wouldn't want a CA if I went through those problems you have had.  I do argee that a lot of companies offer better guns for the price CA charges. (comparing brands on paper at least)  The new KWA series seems to be fantastic, but they do have some proprietary parts.  

No gun is perfect, but from my experience, an upgraded clone usually won't shoot as well as an upgraded high end.  Clones can give people some pretty good headaches when upgrading.  However, sometimes you get those "magical" clones that were made really well.  For me, I usually end up dumping a lot more money into a clone to get it shooting well than I would if I started with a better base gun.  

Trust me, it's not something I was expecting or really wanting to deal with.  There are some guns I buy full well knowing they will need tweaking out of the box (My SRC G36K, G&P M16A4, etc etc) to run reliably let alone at the FPS I want, but there are some guns you dont expect to have to do excessive work to get running reliably.  I was told, by more than a few people both here, my local forums in Nebraska after I moved back home, and on various other forums that said "M120 and go in the CA's" and thats exactly what I did.  Wrong move... I should have taken the time to reshim, relube, and double check all the crap that CA should have done at the factory.

The new X series guns looked decent enough, I have not seen one in person, but they still sound horrid.  CA has always had a distinct sound (much like ICS), but to me it's one of a gun that is struggling, not one that is screaming from the brute force the gun exudes.  CA just doesnt seem like as refined a gun as an ICS (which is sad :P) or the G&G guns, or any other various brands of guns.  They kind of always have been and always will be a "cheap" way to get a metal bodied AR platform.

You are definetly correct, no guns are perfect, there is a laundry list of minor tweaks that companies could do to seriously improve their guns at little cost to them and would up the quality of their guns tremendously... like G&G ditching 18AWG and 20 AWG wire for 16AWG wire...  Even TM is on the 16AWG bandwagon... cmon now :P  Or KWA M4's not losing their barrels because of a really really bad design flaw.  Of all the gun brands out there, I find myself recommending two... ICS and G&G...  ICS because their M# series guns just plain rock performance wise... externally, their barrels are meh, but thats a quick and dirty fix.  Internally, great guns... G&G because they are rock solid, quality and peform well above their price bracket... Case and Point, G&G M14 Veteran... for cheaper than the cost of a stock TM M14, full metal, full wood, 383 FPS w/ .25's, tightbore, and a rocking gun... thats awesome :)  Most of their guns punch at or well above their price tag.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2010, 10:38:11 PM »
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It hasn't really been like that for me.  I started with a $200 SRC G36K and ended up probably dropping a good $200 into it.  It DEFINITELY doesn't even come close to shooting as well as a KWA.  I would be really surprised if you can get an E1 metal body M4 to shoot as well as a KWA with only $75 worth of parts.

Don't get me wrong, clones are great starter guns and can sometimes be better bases than some high end guns if your budget is limited.  It depends on the situation.  

For the OP, a G&G sportline sounds like what you want.

Granted no gun with only 75$ in upgrades will compete with a high end gun as for dropping another 200$ into a gun i agree there. my base gun was 225$ but i placed easily that and more in upgrades and i couldn't be happier. i agree G&G is a good company. In the end all that really matters no matter what brand you choose to buy is your enjoyment and weather or not you get good use out of the gun. and one little detail if you want to upgrade. but from what the Orginal poster was saying he/she isn't really worried about upgrading as much
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2010, 04:19:40 PM »
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Granted no gun with only 75$ in upgrades will compete with a high end gun as for dropping another 200$ into a gun i agree there. my base gun was 225$ but i placed easily that and more in upgrades and i couldn't be happier. i agree G&G is a good company. In the end all that really matters no matter what brand you choose to buy is your enjoyment and weather or not you get good use out of the gun. and one little detail if you want to upgrade. but from what the Orginal poster was saying he/she isn't really worried about upgrading as much

If you are satisfied with it, that's all that matters. :)

I just meant to clarify for newer play yers that E1/JG is still pretty far away from high end quality and that you are usually to be outgunned by people with high end guns. Skills come into play, but having a gun that shoots great matters a lot lol.  I don't care how good you are, if you got a piece of shiz, you are just going to get owned. :D

Since the OP seems to be a somewhat casual player (I don't mean that in a degrading way, to each his own), I you are right in saying he should just get something that shoots well and will be reliable without breaking the bank.  Seeing as G&G seems to shim their guns decently out of the box (from what I hear at least) and the plasticas have great internals (only a few differences from G&G prolines), I think one of those would be ideal assuming the OP wants an Armalite/MP5.

I should probably stop going off with these rants lol.  

E1s/JGs are good guns, there are just some better choices out there IMO.  It depends on what you are wanting out of your weapon.  (IE great ROF, accuracy, nice metal body) If the OP plans on getting pretty serious about airsoft, I think a the plasticas are a great median between casual and hardcore.  

Nothing wrong with JGs/E1s, you can get some pretty good mileage out of them.  Some people get lucky with clones, some people just don't have good experiences at all. That's not to say that high end guns are "lemon free," you can still get some bad luck with them, but generally the risk of getting a lemon is greatly lowered if you choose the right brand/model.  (certain brands have some weak sauce models)

I should probably stop going off with these rants lol.

Pick and Whiskey-it's been good discussing guns with you guys.  I enjoy it when people can express their opinions without it getting out of hand.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2010, 01:52:35 AM »
Well said stealthmaster14.

I do have to say that enhanced Jgs and Echo1 are good base guns. They come stock shooting 400fps (After a few hundred rounds through it) and are build for it. The fact of the matter is that the higher end guns have, supposedly, better quality control. When you start upgrading guns quality control goes right out the window. To be perfectly honest I would buy and echo1 over a classic army any day, throw in a TBB and be completely happy. I haven't had first hand experience with tokyo marui or KWA because i don't have the money for them so i cant say weather or not i like them. I am a big fan of echo1 though.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2010, 11:45:12 AM »
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Well said stealthmaster14.

I do have to say that enhanced Jgs and Echo1 are good base guns. They come stock shooting 400fps (After a few hundred rounds through it) and are build for it. The fact of the matter is that the higher end guns have, supposedly, better quality control. When you start upgrading guns quality control goes right out the window. To be perfectly honest I would buy and echo1 over a classic army any day, throw in a TBB and be completely happy. I haven't had first hand experience with tokyo marui or KWA because i don't have the money for them so i cant say weather or not i like them. I am a big fan of echo1 though.


Slight misconception on the first part. Most E1's come shooting 330ish.
KWA's are amazing, but you pay for it. lol.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2010, 01:12:23 PM »
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Well said stealthmaster14.

I do have to say that enhanced Jgs and Echo1 are good base guns. They come stock shooting 400fps (After a few hundred rounds through it) and are build for it. The fact of the matter is that the higher end guns have, supposedly, better quality control. When you start upgrading guns quality control goes right out the window. To be perfectly honest I would buy and echo1 over a classic army any day, throw in a TBB and be completely happy. I haven't had first hand experience with tokyo marui or KWA because i don't have the money for them so i cant say weather or not i like them. I am a big fan of echo1 though.

It's a bad idea to compare an Echo1 to a CA, namely because you are basically paying more for the same thing, if not marginally better externals.  Compare it to the likes of any other high end manufacturer, and there is a LARGE difference.  Yes, to an extent QC goes out the window when you open it, but with some brands you dont have to do much except drop in a spring, maybe a spring guide and an airnozzle and they are amazing guns.  Infact thats all I did with my G&G UMG (well, Spring and spring guide) and it's quite the little gun considering the barrel is all of 200mm long :P
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2010, 01:15:51 PM »
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Well said stealthmaster14.

I do have to say that enhanced Jgs and Echo1 are good base guns. They come stock shooting 400fps (After a few hundred rounds through it) and are build for it. The fact of the matter is that the higher end guns have, supposedly, better quality control. When you start upgrading guns quality control goes right out the window. To be perfectly honest I would buy and echo1 over a classic army any day, throw in a TBB and be completely happy. I haven't had first hand experience with tokyo marui or KWA because i don't have the money for them so i cant say weather or not i like them. I am a big fan of echo1 though.


i definitely agree with this, JG's are a great starting platform if you have a tight budget... although i do hear alot of negativity about upgrading internals on those weapons, i have not had any issues so far. as long as you are somewhat smart about what you upgrade, you shouldn't have any trouble...


but it looks like you are looking for something to just play with, not something to tear apart and upgrade.. either way - go JG or echo1, both would fit you very well.


and yeah - my JG G3 definitely pops 400 out of the box, i did debate saving up for the CA, but its just not worth the money to me, i could take the money i would have spent on the CA and throw a TBB and some other mods/attachments onto the JG.. thats all i have to say about that 8)
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2010, 01:20:50 PM »
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Well said stealthmaster14.

I do have to say that enhanced Jgs and Echo1 are good base guns. They come stock shooting 400fps (After a few hundred rounds through it) and are build for it. The fact of the matter is that the higher end guns have, supposedly, better quality control. When you start upgrading guns quality control goes right out the window. To be perfectly honest I would buy and echo1 over a classic army any day, throw in a TBB and be completely happy. I haven't had first hand experience with tokyo marui or KWA because i don't have the money for them so i cant say weather or not i like them. I am a big fan of echo1 though.


i definitely agree with this, JG's are a great starting platform if you have a tight budget... although i do hear alot of negativity about upgrading internals on those weapons, i have not had any issues so far. as long as you are somewhat smart about what you upgrade, you shouldn't have any trouble...


but it looks like you are looking for something to just play with, not something to tear apart and upgrade.. either way - go JG or echo1, both would fit you very well.


and yeah - my JG G3 definitely pops 400 out of the box, i did debate saving up for the CA, but its just not worth the money to me, i could take the money i would have spent on the CA and throw a TBB and some other mods/attachments onto the JG.. thats all i have to say about that 8)

Once again... why would you spend money on a CA, even if you had it? They're not good guns.
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2010, 01:37:44 PM »
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Once again... why would you spend money on a CA, even if you had it? They're not good guns.

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i did debate saving up for the CA, but its just not worth the money to me
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2010, 01:53:53 PM »
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Once again... why would you spend money on a CA, even if you had it? They're not good guns.

It's not that they are not "good" guns, they just are not worth the money.  If your goal is a metal body and gutting it, the CA is going to offer a better metal body than the Echo1 Stag Arms guns or the new JG Metal bodied guns, but not by much.  There are some parts that are salvagable (gears, tappet plate, gearbox, etc etc) but there are some serious deal breakers in them.  Their new guns look to be alright, worth the money, I'm not sure, I wont buy another, but certainly "good" to someone :)
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2010, 08:21:23 PM »
CAs do look really pretty. I'll certainly give them that. But to be honest I'd rather spend the money on a JG then buy a new mad bull metal receivers. They look pretty slick and come with a mad bull ultimate hop up assembly (not sure on the hop up quality personally but i hear they are great.).
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Re: Good aeg for airsofting noob?
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2010, 08:36:44 PM »
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CAs do look really pretty. I'll certainly give them that. But to be honest I'd rather spend the money on a JG then buy a new mad bull metal receivers. They look pretty slick and come with a mad bull ultimate hop up assembly (not sure on the hop up quality personally but i hear they are great.).


agreed, thats what i have done with my JG, and i still havnt spent the amount i would have on a CA

...all for what, metal shell, looks and some copper wiring? you have to upgrade the internals anyways if you plan to put in a larger-grade spring, or battery. but i think this point has been pretty much nailed with this thread :P
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