Prospective player!

[nynone]

Sounds like you're taking the right advice to me! My $0.02:

If you really want to do a sniper role, go for it. Just remember that when you have the actual gun in your hands, you're mindset may change. I've tried sniping before (which I love doing in PC games), but never found actually fun or enjoyable. Wind conditions and gun setups got me a little frustrated at times. Mind you, I'm a patient guy, but not enough to deal with plastic pellets as opposed to firing live ammunition. I got used to PC games, and firing live ammunition, that I was trying to make shots beyond that of an airsoft gun. So remember, having the gun in your hands is a different beast altogether.

If you still enjoy the dmr/scout role, then start (as stated before) by upgrading slowly. Learn your gun before you do much to it. Each gun shoots differently, so take time to learn your gun.

With that said... WELCOME TO THE FAMILY

[rmwilson90]

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for the feedback/info everyone!

[VICTORIOUS]

If you do go with a DMR setup, be prepared to spend money upgrading the rifle. Tightbore+Bucking+good optics+any gearbox mods you want= lots of money.  My DMR setup is an AK shooting ~400fps with .28 gram bbs, a 510mm tightbore hidden by a M249 flash hider, shredder's spacer, systema bucking, tuned up gearbox, and 3-9zoom scope. It is a laser! I play outdoors in the desert on a very large field here in Yuma and easily out range any other rifle on the field by 30-40 feet. It was also quite expensive to build; $300+. Start saving now friend.

[carbon14c]

If you do go with a DMR setup, be prepared to spend money upgrading the rifle. Tightbore+Bucking+good optics+any gearbox mods you want= lots of money.  My DMR setup is an AK shooting ~400fps with .28 gram bbs, a 510mm tightbore hidden by a M249 flash hider, shredder's spacer, systema bucking, tuned up gearbox, and 3-9zoom scope. It is a laser! I play outdoors in the desert on a very large field here in Yuma and easily out range any other rifle on the field by 30-40 feet. It was also quite expensive to build; $300+. Start saving now friend.

that doesnt sound like a DMR to me, it sounds more like a regular assault rifle? my g36k and ak47 have the same performance, but i would never refer to them as DMR's

[axisofoil]

that doesnt sound like a DMR to me, it sounds more like a regular assault rifle? my g36k and ak47 have the same performance, but i would never refer to them as DMR's

I believe he means that it shoots 400fps WITH .28's... which ignoring energy creep is ~470 w/ .20's. But still, for something to be considered DMR, it has to perform better than an assault rifle by a significant margin. You don't always get that by just slapping in a tbb and big spring. You have to get consistent airseal and fps, and use good bb's (and every gun will be picky about which bb's it likes).

If you got away for $300, you got away cheaply. I have that much in upgrades in my gun, after the many reinforced internals that actually CAME with the gun. But aside from the tappet plate spring that apparently is now a wearing part in my gun (sector gear clip + AB mosfet leaves the nozzle/tappet plate in the open position between shots (has the spring stretched out all the time), I know that I can treat my gun however I want and I don't have to worry about it's performance ever changing.

I think that durability is paramount though, and likely over-upgraded many parts of the gun when it wasn't necessary. But I can fire it as much as I want on the monster 11.1v lipo I use (30C 2800mAh) and I know that the gun isn't going to fail me. It's a great feeling and definitely improves your confidence on the field playing with a high powered gun. You may find out during the upgrade process that high power = higher failure rate. I wouldn't recommend doing it all at once, but there is a particular order when moving to high fps to have the most reliability at any given time, and as it turns out, that glorious spring swap that many people seem to be jumping right on these days... is dead last. Things that don't directly affect the performance much are first... piston, bushings, spring guide... motor/wiring (big spring needs big power), then airseal (you can really do this first also, but bushings and spring guide are always a great first internal upgrade for longevity's sake), you might need a new gearbox and gears after all that... and THEN you can get that spring in there. this much you can do at once. I recommend upgrading the hopup/bucking/barrel setup independently from the gearbox, but can be done whenever... they don't really affect how long the gun is going to last.

and... I believe I have written a book here... enjoy. Or disregard the paranoid rantings above and enjoy your day.

[carbon14c]

that doesnt sound like a DMR to me, it sounds more like a regular assault rifle? my g36k and ak47 have the same performance, but i would never refer to them as DMR's

I believe he means that it shoots 400fps WITH .28's... which ignoring energy creep is ~470 w/ .20's. But still, for something to be considered DMR, it has to perform better than an assault rifle by a significant margin. You don't always get that by just slapping in a tbb and big spring. You have to get consistent airseal and fps, and use good bb's (and every gun will be picky about which bb's it likes).

oops, i missed that somehow. but i agree with what you wrote about upgrades. it's not as simple as slapping a new spring in and calling it a marksman rifle (depending on the brand), it may work for a bit but then you start stripping gears, or breaking shit because the rifle wasnt adequately adapted for the greater tension the higher-powered spring imposes.

[Pick]

Hell my dmr was chroned at 540 with 20s today (I say it was a shitty chrono nornally around 515) but I have around 450$ wrapped in it

[hendersen]

i dont know if you know how a chrono works there all the same if anything you pay for the brand name and shell all a chrono is is to lasers at a set distance when the first laser is triped it starts a simple clock when the bb pases through the second one it stops the timer there all the same if anything if it reallly was a crappy chrono your gun would be shooting at a slower fps

[axisofoil]

i dont know if you know how a chrono works there all the same if anything you pay for the brand name and shell all a chrono is is to lasers at a set distance when the first laser is triped it starts a simple clock when the bb pases through the second one it stops the timer there all the same if anything if it reallly was a crappy chrono your gun would be shooting at a slower fps

that's not always true. There are tons of different types of chronos.

There are the three main kinds you see used for airsoft... external optical, internal optical, and internal laser.
External optical types use sunlight over two larger light sensors, and are sound-activated... so if it's too dark, or you have an extraordinarily quiet gun, it won't work (a TM mark 23 with the silencer would NOT chrono on these. lol... we tried), and they aren't as accurate as some other methods.
Internal optical are basically the same thing as the external optical, but a tube with basically two flashlights on them. Same principal as above, with the same cons, except it can be used in the dark.
Internal lasers then take it a step further and use higher powered lights (sometimes outside of the human vision spectrum... most don't actually use lasers) over smaller light sensors. These are more accurate if you shoot straight through, but if you fire at any kind of an angle, the effects are magnified in these. Don't believe me? Go grab a madbull chrono and shoot straight through a few times for a baseline reading, then angle the gun as much as you can. You should get about a 40fps swing.

The smaller it is, all else being equal, the less accurate the chrono.
The larger the sensors, all else being equal, the less accurate the chrono.

So, no, they aren't all the same.

Also, there are the radar chronos you RARELY see in airsoft, although they are much more common in paintball. They have two semicircular sections held onto the chrono by thin rods. They are very accurate and very bulky, but are also capable of measuring extremely high velocities (such as those used in firearms) very accurately. And there are radar-gun chronos... used almost exclusively in law-enforcement, baseball and professional-level paintball, where you can point it at a moving object and get it's speed. Yes... a cop's radar gun is a chrono!

[Pick]

i dont know if you know how a chrono works there all the same if anything you pay for the brand name and shell all a chrono is is to lasers at a set distance when the first laser is triped it starts a simple clock when the bb pases through the second one it stops the timer there all the same if anything if it reallly was a crappy chrono your gun would be shooting at a slower fps

that's not always true. There are tons of different types of chronos.

There are the three main kinds you see used for airsoft... external optical, internal optical, and internal laser.
External optical types use sunlight over two larger light sensors, and are sound-activated... so if it's too dark, or you have an extraordinarily quiet gun, it won't work (a TM mark 23 with the silencer would NOT chrono on these. lol... we tried), and they aren't as accurate as some other methods.
Internal optical are basically the same thing as the external optical, but a tube with basically two flashlights on them. Same principal as above, with the same cons, except it can be used in the dark.
Internal lasers then take it a step further and use higher powered lights (sometimes outside of the human vision spectrum... most don't actually use lasers) over smaller light sensors. These are more accurate if you shoot straight through, but if you fire at any kind of an angle, the effects are magnified in these. Don't believe me? Go grab a madbull chrono and shoot straight through a few times for a baseline reading, then angle the gun as much as you can. You should get about a 40fps swing.

The smaller it is, all else being equal, the less accurate the chrono.
The larger the sensors, all else being equal, the less accurate the chrono.

So, no, they aren't all the same.

Also, there are the radar chronos you RARELY see in airsoft, although they are much more common in paintball. They have two semicircular sections held onto the chrono by thin rods. They are very accurate and very bulky, but are also capable of measuring extremely high velocities (such as those used in firearms) very accurately. And there are radar-gun chronos... used almost exclusively in law-enforcement, baseball and professional-level paintball, where you can point it at a moving object and get it's speed. Yes... a cop's radar gun is a chrono!

Thank you dan that would explain why it was chronod at 515 at gearbox and 540 on saturday

[hendersen]

the crono that was brought to Saturday was the same type that gearbox has just a different brand and funny all the guns we had crooned the same

also i would like to add when you got the spring put in you told me halfbreed and a few other players it was shooting close to 550