[HavHav]

It was not origionally $299. For $299 you can get a very very nice AEG. They are worth about $100, and have the range of a spring rifle. They are a waste of money in my eyes, and you should save the money for a better and full power AEG.

[azsarge]

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<br />It was not origionally $299. For $299 you can get a very very nice AEG. They are worth about $100, and have the range of a spring rifle. They are a waste of money in my eyes, and you should save the money for a better and full power AEG.
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Agreed.

Don't think you're getting a deal.  Anyplace that sells more springers than AEGs is a joke!

[Airsofter1]

Isn't this replica a copy of the TM XM177E2?  If so then the internals should be the same albeit with different (better or worse?) materials for the internals.  $199 would then be the going price for such a piece.  Not a real "deal", just what one should expect to pay for one.

I had a TM XM177E2 and even though it was all plastic it was a nice AEG.  If one can be found in reasonable shape below $200 it would make a great newbie AEG.

[Paco]

That's what I heard as well, Mikey.  Now, DPMS is a real AR-15 manufacturer and if their airsoft stuff holds true to the quality of their real stuff, then it should be a great AEG, but I have NO experience with the DPMS AEG's.  There has GOT to be a decent review online (w/pics) somewhere...

[Sifu456]

Are the DPMS AEG upgradeable, and from what I've heard unless a rifle is upgraded they all have about nearly the same range 60-90 feet which is 20-30 yrds. In the real world almost handgun range, but a long gun would be better. The rifle really shines outside the practitcal accuracy range of the hand gun, trival I can't help it. This rifles ad states it has a 265 fps average and a 70-90ft range.

We are looking for a AEG that excels at being able to produce auto fire on multiple targets or supress fire to approach a secured location. If upgraded what would the range be and fps?

What do you think of the Tokyo Marui M733 rifle? Or Classic Army's XM177.

[Harley]

FULL AUTO ELECTRIC! The A15 Carbine is the latest offering from CyberGun. This is the cutting edge in airsoft guns, which uses a special RECHARGABLE 8.4v battery for serious shooting. The gun fires 700 rounds per minute on full auto at an average muzzle velocity of 262 fps w/ .2 gram bb's. Fire mode is selective (can fire in both full and semi-auto) and adjustable via the safety/selector switch, just like the real thing! <b>This gun features a fixed hopup unit</b> and tight-bore barrel optimized for .2 gram bb's. Adjustable rear sight, 3 position collapsible stock, fully authorized DPMS trademarks, and a solid feel round out an awesome package. Don't forget the accessories to "kit out" your carbine! Gun includes a 300 round, full size detacable magazine. Battery and charger are INCLUDED! KSC ammo is STRONGLY recommended for this gun. 30-day warranty against manufacturer's defect. NOTE: Scope mount MUST be purchased for 1X32 and 1X30 Red Dot scopes.

Does the Marui XM177 have a fixed hop-up as well?  Not a bad package, but I'd like to know what kind of mech box it's running and if it's upgradable.

[Harley]

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<br />Are the DPMS AEG upgradeable, and from what I've heard unless a rifle is upgraded they all have about nearly the same range 60-90 feet which is 20-30 yrds. In the real world almost handgun range, but a long gun would be better. The rifle really shines outside the practitcal accuracy range of the hand gun, trival I can't help it. This rifles ad states it has a 265 fps average and a 70-90ft range.

We are looking for a AEG that excels at being able to produce auto fire on multiple targets or supress fire to approach a secured location. If upgraded what would the range be and fps?

What do you think of the Tokyo Marui M733 rifle? Or Classic Army's XM177.
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The Marui M733 is a decent gun.  Just realize that Marui guns have plastic bodies and the outer barrels are not one piece versus Classic Army guns that have metal bodies and one piece outer barrels.  I've been advocating Classic Army guns since they came out with the Armalite series.  Great guns at a great price.  Side by side comparison to a real AR15 or M4 is a 1 to 1 in size and detail.

[Sifu456]

I have another question I read that the DPMS does not disassemble like the real steel gun, does the Marui M733 or XM177 come apart like the real rifle? I hear all the before mentioned are made 80% albeit heavy Plastic.

And if not which AEG rifle does?

I've seen shots of an AEG collet pins being real and the Upper and Lower sections come apart in a similar way as AR/M-16.

Which rifle am I looking at, that has real lockin pins?

Thanks, cause that one I want.[][8D]

[Harley]

None of them disassemble like the real thing.  These are electric BB guns and the internals are nothing like the real thing.  The handguards come off, the sliding butt stock comes off, the carry handle comes off and that's about it.  They all have real locking pins, but again, these guns do not disassemble like the real thing.

[Sifu456]

Thanks Harley,

I've looked around when I said disassemble, I meant upper amd lower held togather by locking pins, similar to the real gun. All of the AEG do not come apart like this, case in point the DPMS, Panther A-15. Its seems to be a soild peiece of Plastic with molded pins that don't come out. This is really making me want to spend more money and get the TM M733.

Does anybody know who sells extra Mags for the DPMS A-15, this could be another problem. I've seem the M733 for as low as $187.00, with s/h no battery or charger so you still looking at $285 not bad, for an upgradeable, buildable and more realistic rifle.

[Harley]

The Marui and Classic Army guns have upper and lower receivers that will hing open by removing the rear take down pin.  Any gun that comes with or has been modified with a metal style hop-up unit will not hing open and you'll damage it if you try.  Again you don't need to break them open like the real thing.  There's nothing in there that needs to be gotten at unless you're planning on stripping the gear box down for upgrades or maintenance which should not be performed by just anybody.

[Sifu456]

How good is the AEG Panther XM177? I found one on Shorty USA for $199 originally $299, I'm looking to buy a nice AEG, I originally wanted to buy one used but in good shape already upgraded, if luck would have it.

But a brand new AEG might last longer, instead of alot of skirmsihes it would be used mostly for Combat training scenarios like moving under surpressed fire, hostage room clearing or building searches. So it may not have but a few 100 rounds a night shot through it, if that.

How durable and how good is this peice, compared to Classic Arms? And how close is it to a real M16 or AR-15, detail wises. I own a Bushmaster A15 shorty so there will be a side by side comaparsion. I'm waiting on my HFC M1a1 spring, (for familarity training inside the home) I'm told I may be a little disappointed because it does not disassemble like the OME.[]