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Offline Harley

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« on: March 29, 2004, 12:23:52 PM »
The carry handles are not plastic Don, they're metal even on the TM guns.  As far as weight goes, we'll unless you're planning to mount a 20lb scope of some kind it will hold just about what ever you plan to put on it.  Anything you would/could put on a real M4 you can mount on an Airsoft M4 carry handle.  If you drop it, well you may break more than just the carry handle.  These things are tough, but not as tough as the real deal.
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2004, 12:31:04 PM »
And there is yet to be an airsoft gun that is as tough as the real thing. But damn M15A4's and AK's come close!
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2004, 01:02:18 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />The carry handles are not plastic Don, they're metal even on the TM guns.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

?

I don't think I've ever seen a metal TM carry handle...
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2004, 01:04:11 PM »
Are they plastic?  I haven't seen one in a couple years so I can't remember?  Guess that's another reason to go Classic Army Don.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2004, 01:09:23 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />Are they plastic?  I haven't seen one in a couple years so I can't remember?  Guess that's another reason to go Classic Army Don.
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As far as I know, they are... Not sure now, myself :)

I've got a CA carry handle, and its of pretty good quality.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2004, 01:30:20 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Raith</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />Are they plastic?  I haven't seen one in a couple years so I can't remember?  Guess that's another reason to go Classic Army Don.
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As far as I know, they are... Not sure now, myself :)

I've got a CA carry handle, and its of pretty good quality.
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How is TM possibly going to compete with CA's line of all metal guns. Obviously(if they are smart) will start making there guns all metal. IT seems like everyone who gets a new gun now goes CA.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2004, 02:51:08 PM »
Every one in the know, I just recently got a TM M733 and thought I was state of the art as far as a upgrade foundation was concern, now I hear I'm hundreds of dollars away, unless I use Paco's of bushing and stronger spring, to get 400fps upgrade until the gears strip. Which will eventually happen anyway.

But, back to the the Z mount with Red dot, Laser and C cell Flash light combo is sorta heavy adding 3-4lbs to a 4-5lb rifle, with batteries and all, maybe not I haven't weighed it.

But it feels heavier then my R.S. Bushmaster with a 4x scope, which is a 6.5lb rifle all by its self.

Theres not a chance of my carry handle screws starting to wobble or the handle cracking?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2004, 03:01:01 PM »
Tokyo Marui carry handles are all plastic except for the screws.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2004, 03:35:50 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br />Tokyo Marui carry handles are all plastic except for the screws.
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And for purposes of clarification, the sight assembly is metal as well.

Since I cut mine down, the fact that it was plastic made it much easier to work with.  Then again, Matt said he had no trouble doing the same to his CA unit (which was eventually lost/stolen).  

For the matter of all the junk on the carry handle, I wouldn't advise it.  Unless, that is, you are going for the Verminator Mk3 look![:P]
It would be top-heavy, and place a bit too much torsional stress on the reciever.  Put the light up front below the barrel, and leave that laser for the kiddies.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2004, 05:03:20 PM »
Just sell it and buy the Classic Army M4 and be done with this silliness already.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2004, 12:53:26 AM »
AZSGT - Thats the advice that I'm geti9ng from most Vets, that the scope an laser can be mounted to teh Z-mount and the flashligt should be mounted to the hand guard either on the side or under the barel with a mouse lead.

My plans is to move this same setup to the real AR-15 Bushmaster, because of my experience with the AS rifle and the Red Dot scope, I'm looking to add or replace the 6x socpe thats on the AR-15 with the quicker Red Dot scope I'd still like telescopic scope for pin point accurate shots.

Harley if I sold the TM M733 I'd still be $100 short of what it takes to a Classic Army gun.
I thought TM was the way to go, so,e even said to stay away from the CA unless you can work on a AEG, now people are trading TMs to get CAs.

Go figure, I don't think I could do that barrel modifiction you talked about, I cring thinking about sawing on soemthing that costs me $350 plus dollars. I'd hate to screw it up.

I might just do the Upgrade Paco suggested, and maybe upgrade the gears, like SGT mentioned.

But I'll stop thinking of loading down the Z-bar with stuff.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2004, 06:23:17 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Sifu456</i>
<br />AZSGT - Thats the advice that I'm geti9ng from most Vets, that the scope an laser can be mounted to teh Z-mount and the flashligt should be mounted to the hand guard either on the side or under the barel with a mouse lead.

My plans is to move this same setup to the real AR-15 Bushmaster, because of my experience with the AS rifle and the Red Dot scope, I'm looking to add or replace the 6x socpe thats on the AR-15 with the quicker Red Dot scope I'd still like telescopic scope for pin point accurate shots.

Harley if I sold the TM M733 I'd still be $100 short of what it takes to a Classic Army gun.
I thought TM was the way to go, so,e even said to stay away from the CA unless you can work on a AEG, now people are trading TMs to get CAs.

Go figure, I don't think I could do that barrel modifiction you talked about, I cring thinking about sawing on soemthing that costs me $350 plus dollars. I'd hate to screw it up.

I might just do the Upgrade Paco suggested, and maybe upgrade the gears, like SGT mentioned.

But I'll stop thinking of loading down the Z-bar with stuff.
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Don stop and think for a moment.  If you do any work on your TM gun you'll already be spending the $100 difference that the CA will cost you.  A set of gears is going to run you $50 to $75, metal bushings around $12, spring $15.  Then who's going to do the work for you?  If you want it done right you'll end up paying somebody to do it for you, another $25 to $50.  See where I'm heading with this?  As far as working on a TM versus a CA they are absolutly identical to work on internally.  You need to stop listening to all these campfire story tellers and get with the guys who really know what the hell they're talking about.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2004, 08:35:00 AM »
Harley that makes good scene, I guess I wasn't doing any long range planning I was just thinking I finally got the rifle that I wanted.
But you do make a good point, Classic Army sounds like the way to go.
It comes partially upgraded compared to the stock TM, competition is good maybe the price will start going down on the TMs, damn I better sell this gun quickly while the market demand is high!!
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How much weight can the carry handle hold?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2004, 11:15:47 AM »
I got a plans to take the Z-scope mount off a
A-15 solid carry handle and put it on a M733 rifle with a removable carry handle.

How much weight can these plastic carry handles hold without stressing to the point of breaking? Would placing rubber bumpers along the handguard help to bare the weight?
 
This mount has a 40mm Red dot scope, Laser, and medium size Flash light. If bumped or dropped,
whats the chances of the carry handle breaking off?

I have heard guys say its best to have a light scope on the carry hand rail and mount the rest of the accessories to the handguard up front.

Whats your expericence on this matter???
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