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Books on Tactics
« on: February 11, 2006, 02:46:35 PM »
Just wondering if anyone can recommend a book on tactics that would coincide with Airsoft/Milsim.  

I've read books along the lines of The Art of War, Book of 5 Rings and various SWAT tactics books.  Just looking for something along the lines of a "playbook" so that I can be up to speed when I go out in the field.

Any field manuals/AIT manuals fit the bill?  

If anyone has a link or book suggestion, I'd appreciate it.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2006, 05:52:16 PM »
The best thing to do is just go out there and play. Get with someone who knows what they are doing, or looks like they do, and run with them. Most of the guys on here on quite welcoming. All the reading in the world won't really help you as much as playing.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2006, 06:24:39 PM »
Yeah man...

Use my schooling for example.  My school is supposed to teach you almost everything about cars... and i do mean everything (some science is also involved).  As any other school, there are assignments and lab work to teach us about the certain area of study (i already passed transmissions, engines, and i'm currently in driveability).  
There are grades given out, and even though some people may score very high on assignments and tests, not everything we cover do we actually work on.  Or, some people may be good at bookwork, but can't do shit hands-on... know what i mean?  

In my opinion, reading books on how to play airsoft, or any other similar game is unnecessary.  I myself am a better learner when i'm actually doing it, or experiencing it.  Not sayin that i'm a dumbass when it does come to bookwork, but i hope you know what i'm sayin.'  

You can keep looking around, hope you find what you're looking for.  Did you try googling it  :P?  Never know, might have some online resource to get some info.    But yeah dude, i learned how to play myself... not a book.  And if i really needed that kind of training, then you'll prolli see me with a real gun and a drill instructor at boot camp.  :D
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2006, 06:45:35 PM »
I've posted this link earlier, but I think it's useful information, such as the "military" way of looking around corners and how a SWAT team enters a room.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... m/3-06-11/
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2006, 08:41:31 PM »
Daytr8er...thanks for the link.


No doubt experience is the best teacher...especially when you get shot and don't die.

I just like to have a background before hitting the field so I know what my teammates are refering to (such as an enfilade or a pincer movement).

Watching reruns of G.I. Joe only gets you so far.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2006, 09:25:55 PM »
Heck, you already spell enfilade correctly, go get 'em, tiger.

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2006, 12:38:23 AM »
Quote from: "Cheeze_IZ_G00d"
The best thing to do is just go out there and play. Get with someone who knows what they are doing, or looks like they do, and run with them. Most of the guys on here on quite welcoming. All the reading in the world won't really help you as much as playing.


Not even close.  The real military spends countless hours doing dry, repetative, practical training before any tactical operation is undertaken.  "getting out there to play" will only solidify habits that you already have.  It sounds like you want to be better than that.

I have a number of TMs and FMs available on tactics I will email pretty much anyone who asks for it.  But the best thing you can do, if you really want to learn tactics, is to find a place to train, practice and improve your skills.

PM me and I will point you to some resources.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2006, 09:08:40 AM »
Doc, I was merely referring to an airsoft state of mind. Obviously, if there are going to be real bullets flying around, then I would be reading until my eyes exploded. However, my personal opinion is that the practical training you are referring to, at least in an airsoft sense, is just getting your hands dirty. After all, if you are hit in airsoft, you are not really killed.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2006, 01:37:09 PM »
I am going to have to agree with Doc on this one. As far as reading goes, I would get a colpy of the ramger handbook, the marine corps handbook and the army guide to urban warfar (I forget the pub numbers)

Another good way to build strong skills is to take classes available to civillians for use of real firearms. It can be expensive but the training can also be invaluable.

As far as military type training goes, whenever possible stick with the guys with experience in the military, watch what they do, and most of all, ask questions. If you see somone doing something you think is odd, or maybe something you think looks smart, don't hesitate to ask them why they do it. Often times understanding why will help you remember to do something.

Case in point, one of my first games out, someone asked me why I was always looking at the ground every few steps. I didn't even know I was doing it but I have trained it for so long, I was scanning passively for mines/booby traps.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2006, 05:40:19 PM »
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
I have a number of TMs and FMs available on tactics I will email pretty much anyone who asks for it.  But the best thing you can do, if you really want to learn tactics, is to find a place to train, practice and improve your skills.


Be careful as to what you need and what you don't. Almost everything in those field manuals is obsolete, I can garuantee it(Unless you happen to have the most current manuals). Other than that, you are correct as far as just doing drills over and over. Hell, not too sure of where you live MP5 Fan, but I can teach you just about everything you need to know, its soooo freakin' easy.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2006, 08:51:29 PM »
Firehead...I'm over in Glendale.  

I PM'ed you about your M24...
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2006, 08:54:31 PM »
did you see the manuels on AZS
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2006, 09:00:40 PM »
I did a search...do you have a link?
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2006, 09:03:13 PM »
http://www.again.net/~steve/page7c.htm

This guy has a TON of info on his site, look around.

http://www.again.net/~steve/page7a.htm

http://www.again.net/~steve/page7b.htm

http://www.again.net/~steve/page7d.htm

http://www.again.net/~steve/page8b.htm

enjoy and I will contact you later about the xbox mine is still a no  show
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2006, 09:07:10 PM »
Gixser,

Thanks for the link...it's a good thing I'm getting a cable modem.
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