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Dust off instead of 134a
« on: June 02, 2006, 11:03:06 PM »
I thought this was great. My friend was tired of spending $14 for a can of 134a so he made an adapter that fit his Tanaka revolver to a can of plain Dust Off. I thought he was crazy but after using dust off for over six months now he has never had a problem.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2006, 11:05:35 PM »
Cool, Isnt dust off essentially CO2?

Also, does anyone know what butane would be equivalent too? I have a bunch of butane canisters but i dont wanna ruin my gun if it will be too strong....
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2006, 11:09:34 PM »
I dont think so, i'll ask him tomorrow to make sure.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2006, 11:12:22 PM »
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Cool, Isnt dust off essentially CO2?

Also, does anyone know what butane would be equivalent too? I have a bunch of butane canisters but i dont wanna ruin my gun if it will be too strong....


It's equivalant to HFC134a, they are both used as propellents within aerosal substances.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2006, 07:17:25 AM »
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Cool, Isnt dust off essentially CO2?

Also, does anyone know what butane would be equivalent too? I have a bunch of butane canisters but i dont wanna ruin my gun if it will be too strong....


No, it is the same as 134a
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2006, 09:22:38 AM »
Isn't it 1,3,3,4 Tetraflouranthane (sp)?
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2006, 09:28:25 AM »
Welcome to several years ago.  Airsofters in the US have been using Duster gas for over a decade now...

Dust Off and hfc134 are the same.  The great Dumbo Rat once made a very insightful post on Airsoft Players and the now defuct AirsoftZone about the silimarities of Duster and hfc134a gases.  That was a while ago and I can no longer find it, otherwise I would provide a link for all to educate themselves from.  Basically, his analysis found that the two are the same, but computer Duster gas lacks the lubricant that is contained within hfc134a.  So whenever you use Duster gas make sure you add a drop or two of silicone oil to the fill nipple of the gas chamber of whatever you are filling.  It will help prevent your o-rings and seals from drying out.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2006, 10:03:25 AM »
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Isn't it 1,3,3,4 Tetraflouranthane (sp)?

You put on airsoft atlanta:

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1,1,1,4 tetraflouanthane (I think I spelled it right or close to it, If not It will destory your gun.). I just tried it. Holy Hell, my Ruger Mark I shot faster than it ever has before.


And in both cases you are wrong. It is 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane, also called simply tetrafluoroethane, R-134a or HFC-134a, is a refrigerant without an ozone depletion potential and thermodynamic properties similar to R-12 (dichlorodifluoromethane). It has the formula CH2FCF3

There is no such chemical with floroanthane.

Some good technochemical babble on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane

But Warning!
"In a two-year inhalation study, HFC-134a at a concentration of 50,000 ppm, produced an increase in late-occuring benign testicular tumors, testicular hyperplasia and testicular weight."
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2006, 10:30:54 AM »
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But Warning!
"In a two-year inhalation study, HFC-134a at a concentration of 50,000 ppm, produced an increase in late-occuring benign testicular tumors, testicular hyperplasia and testicular weight."


That might explain why we haven't heard from those airsofters who starting using duster gas over a decade ago.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2006, 12:41:21 PM »
Quote from: "Ganef"
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Isn't it 1,3,3,4 Tetraflouranthane (sp)?

You put on airsoft atlanta:

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1,1,1,4 tetraflouanthane (I think I spelled it right or close to it, If not It will destory your gun.). I just tried it. Holy Hell, my Ruger Mark I shot faster than it ever has before.

And in both cases you are wrong. It is 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane, also called simply tetrafluoroethane, R-134a or HFC-134a, is a refrigerant without an ozone depletion potential and thermodynamic properties similar to R-12 (dichlorodifluoromethane). It has the formula CH2FCF3

There is no such chemical with floroanthane.

Some good technochemical babble on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane

But Warning!
"In a two-year inhalation study, HFC-134a at a concentration of 50,000 ppm, produced an increase in late-occuring benign testicular tumors, testicular hyperplasia and testicular weight."


I wrote that over 4 years ago, and it was a post on Airsoftcore.  Why it's on Airsoft Atlanta, I have no idea.  But for reference, it did make my ruger shoot harder than the green gas I had purchased at the time... which turned out to be the shit that is one step below 134a, and labeled as green.
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