high torque motors

[Kingarmssniper]

It's on a per-gun basis. You don't do anything to the motor, you modify the selector plate/selector switch.

that seems simple enough haha

know anything about where i can find how to do that?

[Whiskey11]

I dont know, I have never seen the Systema Revolution in person, Vince has and could shed more light ont he subject.  BUT I will offer my rebuttle to what they "offer"  The removal of the ARL is pointless.  It's not a part that breaks that often (if ever) what it DOES do is stops the gear train in weird positions after each shot.  Depending on the motor and a number of other things.  The removal of the tappet plate is "nice" but nothing more.  I personally have never had tappet plate issues in any of my guns so this is another feature I hole heartedly could care less about.  Electronics.  Nice, but highly overated.  They offer some intresting stuff that AEG modders have been playing around with for ages.  The MOSFET technology they use is nothing special and the optical sensor WILL be prone to breaking.  It's a matter of electronics, they cycle and the constant cycling causes damage over time and replacing something in a Systema box is NEVER cheap.

So what does the Revolution give me?
-Proprietary parts
-Same crappy Gearbox design as every other V2 gun with same build materials
-Fancy electronics that will cost an arm and a leg if break and can be had in other packages
-Systema's awesome price tag (awesome as in huge)

For me I can accomplish 90% of the features of the Revolution with a 70$ chip known as the SW-Evolution (Yes it's a pun on Revolution, and is a derivative of what I currently have which is the SW-Computer)  Which gives me:
-MOSFET Technology so switch contacts dont die
-Active Breaking stops the gear train in the same position every time (Equivilant to their optical sensor)
-SAFE/Semi/Full Auto -or- SAFE/SEMI/Burst -or- SAFE/SEMI/SEMI  where the Burst time is programable so I can get three, five, or whatever I chose
-A slew of other features that only muddy the lines.

You dont have to pay 400$ to get a high tech computer controlled gearbox.  Buy the gun you want, throw in the SW-Evolution for another $70(requires soldering and gearbox know how) and go about your merry business playing Airsoft.

I've never seen the attraction of the Revolution Gearbox.  The only way it will be worthwhile is if it's cheap, and knowing Systema's previous record for stuff, if it's "Cutting Edge" (As they see it) it will be expensive.  So for me, I'll take my cheap and in my eyes better option.  Ohh by the way, my SW-Computer/Evolution has an expansion slot so I could add more boards to the current one if I wanted to add more features.  (there is a list of features, that is like 20 features long)

Info on the SW-Computer/Evolution can be found at www.extreme-fire.com

To modify your AEG to Semi Only you could use an SW-Computer/Evolution provided you can prove to people you can be trusted with it even though you could just as easily remove the battery and reset the thing and have FA again.  If you cant be trusted to stay with that then you should quit playing Airsoft now and save us all the hassle

[Vince]

To modify your AEG to Semi Only you could use an SW-Computer/Evolution provided you can prove to people you can be trusted with it even though you could just as easily remove the battery and reset the thing and have FA again.  If you cant be trusted to stay with that then you should quit playing Airsoft now and save us all the hassle

That's not a permanent modification in anybody's eyes, and, not acceptable for probably 75% of the organizations that have a semi-auto specification for a higher velocity. AA, LC (when they had sniper velocity limits), Mindgame Productions, and others, mandate that it be physically impossible to switch the weapon into an automatic firing mode.

On my Mk14, I removed the selector switch. It's not possible to turn that little arm without pliers or something. On an M4 you can pin the selector on the inside of the body, or modify the selector plate.

[Kingarmssniper]

On my Mk14, I removed the selector switch. It's not possible to turn that little arm without pliers or something. On an M4 you can pin the selector on the inside of the body, or modify the selector plate.[/quote]

so you just straight up have your gun on semi auto all the time? and guys thanks for all the information about systema. i figured they made only the greatest stuff based off of their motor's high reputation! yeah all those drop in gear boxes seem like an insane rip off now. I guess to just keep it simple ill upgrade only my spring and maybe motor if i even need to seeing how im sure by the spring ratings that a good king arm will give me the 400 fps im looking for with .2 gram. though i usually only use the heavier .25 for wayy better accuracy.

[Vince]

Yes, on an M14, the selector only chooses between semi and full.

It has a separate, functional safety.

I only shoot on semi auto normally, even with my weapons that are within the limits for automatic rifles.

[Whiskey11]

To modify your AEG to Semi Only you could use an SW-Computer/Evolution provided you can prove to people you can be trusted with it even though you could just as easily remove the battery and reset the thing and have FA again.  If you cant be trusted to stay with that then you should quit playing Airsoft now and save us all the hassle

That's not a permanent modification in anybody's eyes, and, not acceptable for probably 75% of the organizations that have a semi-auto specification for a higher velocity. AA, LC (when they had sniper velocity limits), Mindgame Productions, and others, mandate that it be physically impossible to switch the weapon into an automatic firing mode.

On my Mk14, I removed the selector switch. It's not possible to turn that little arm without pliers or something. On an M4 you can pin the selector on the inside of the body, or modify the selector plate.

Forgot to mention he sells Semi Only ones specifically for that application.  Ones that cant be programmed to anything but SAFE/SEMI/SEMI.  Gotta love it  

I concur though, I almost exclusivly use Semi even though my AEG's fall within the limits.  My G&P has three round burst but I've chosen not to use it that often simply because I dont need to use it.  It is a cool feature that admitedly is just a realism thing more than a functional thing.  It does come in handy for brush punching though.

KingArms, 90% of stock motors can handle the spring required to get a .20 gram bb to 400 fps.  That is NOT hard by any stretch of the imagination.  Heck even CA's motors can do this on a 9.6v battery (granted none of mine could do it very well on a very good 8.4v)  So I think you'll be ok.

[Kingarmssniper]

haha yeah i should be good. im deffinetly looking at those chips cus my king arms doesnt have a separate safety mechanism. And that probably adds to the resell value too hahaha

[Whiskey11]

Ehh, this is airsoft, Nothing ADDS to the resale value, alot detracts form it though

It does bump up how much you can sell it for though, but getting your money out of an airsoft gun is always a no go

[Kingarmssniper]

I have the option to swap my king arms for a star K43 Mod O....it is a fuckin sweet gun. Its insane haha think i should do it? http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/a ... odID=22861

wow

[Whiskey11]

Your gun, your choice.  Personally speaking... No. I'd rather have an E3 or an E4 proper without rails.  M60 with rails is like an M1 Garand with rails... It's absolutely disgracefull.  I think it's ugly, but I'm not you.

[Kingarmssniper]

Your gun, your choice.  Personally speaking... No. I'd rather have an E3 or an E4 proper without rails.  M60 with rails is like an M1 Garand with rails... It's absolutely disgracefull.  I think it's ugly, but I'm not you.

yeahh i always thought that giant gun totters always were compensating a little? haha though when i look at some of them its like damnnnn no one would pop their head up with that thing spraying 400 fps. You are right ive never thought of them as aesthetically pleasing. Have you seen what im working towards? http://www.epowersportsllc.com/tera.html sept with a bitttt less power haha. Those damn lucky hawaii guys have all the no fps limit games!!! talk bout freaking awesome.

Back on the motor part though, Think i should just upgrade to some better gears and a high torque when i get the chance and just have springs to swap out on the fly depending on the game? That sounds good right?

[Whiskey11]

If you are going to go higher than 500 fps a new motor is a minimum, torque up gears only make it easier for the motor to spin.  I personally ran a CA M14 upgraded to 550 ish fps using a Systema Magnum with Guarder Pinion gear, Guarder SP 150, Prometheus Hard Piston, Area 1000 piston head without bearing, Prometheus V3 spring guide, Systema Torque up gear sets and an SW-Computer.  All in all the gun shot like 15 rps if it ever saw FA (Basically it had really good trigger response which is essential for sniper rifles)  I disbanded the set up because I dont enjoy the notion of potentially hurting someone.  I have since sold the gun but I downgraded it to an M120 spring and it still is running great with the current owner.  I personally would stay at 400 FPS.  Most places that have acceptable sniping places do not have a range over that of a conventional AEG without running into some form of brush or other solid object that makes accurate shooting past 200 ft unnecessarily risky to the snipers position.

Ideally, 400 fps with .20's and using a good .25 or .28g bb and a good solid tightbore would be a better option in my oppinion.  This also allows you to retain full auto for those "ohh SH!T" moments so you are not completely up a creek without a paddle.  

High FPS is over rated anyways, there comes a point when a BB's range just drops off if you are taking flat and level shots.  After my experience with the CA M14 it was about 250ft and most bb's (.20's, .23's, .30's) drop or are so innacurate that you couldnt hit something unless god maricled it to hit.  Also higher FPS means the BB's destabalization at the end of it's flight (when the hop up no longer effects the BB) is much greater because it's moving at a higher speed so they have a tendency to be inacurate at longer ranges.  However you can achieve the same or similiar results using a 400ish fps gun with good hop up parts.

ALSO keep in mind that the V2 gearbox was never designed for high FPS set ups.  So going above an M130 spring is not recommended as you risk destroying your mech box as well as countless other parts.  There is no 100% fix for this except a CNCed gearbox and of which I only know Two.  the MT Haynes box which is custom order in batches or the ProWin split gearbox which I've heard is an utter PITA to install in an AEG.

Stick with 400 fps and obtain it with quality parts.  Start with the hop up unit, hop up rubber, and tightbore.  Then check your FPS.  Once you've done that determine the spring you can upgrade to.  In my case I couldnt go past an M100 which for me is fine as I prefer trigger response.  But the simple fact that my G&P shoots that well on a low powered spring is indicative of parts matching well and being made of good quality as well as outstanding compression and airseal between parts (I acredit the majority of that FPS to the fact that I'm using the King Arms hop up chamber and a Guarder clear hop up, both of which sit well within each other and the O-Ring on the KA hop up chamber helps any air loss around the airnozzle which is still metal and also provides 100% good compression).

[Kingarmssniper]

haha damnnnn yeah man this is exactly the advice i need! Yeah im running a king arms sniper currently and the hop up is freakin sweat. Im fairly certain that once i pop a m120 in that i will achieve the desired performance. I am also searching high and low for the pest possible (within reasonable price) tight bore barrel and stumbled upon a spiraling barrel! http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/a ... odID=24045 crazy hu? i know this is shorter than what can fit in my 20 inch barrel though whats your guy's opionion on barrel performance? should i go with the longest possible? And how tight should it be?

[Whiskey11]

haha damnnnn yeah man this is exactly the advice i need! Yeah im running a king arms sniper currently and the hop up is freakin sweat. Im fairly certain that once i pop a m120 in that i will achieve the desired performance. I am also searching high and low for the pest possible (within reasonable price) tight bore barrel and stumbled upon a spiraling barrel! http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/a ... odID=24045 crazy hu? i know this is shorter than what can fit in my 20 inch barrel though whats your guy's opionion on barrel performance? should i go with the longest possible? And how tight should it be?

Below 320 fps it works ok, above that it causes serious accuracy problems.  The air moving past the bb int he spiral grooves becomes turbulent at higher FPS and as a result you get a shot gun esq spread.  I suspect if you were in Japan or the UK where velocity restrictions are much lower then the US these would work better but in the US these havemixed results.  These are supposed to work great for Pistols though.

Madbull V2 Tightbores are cheap, and 6.03mm inner diameter although they perform about as well as my KM 6.04 tightbore they are also half the price.  Functional and cheap.

[Kingarmssniper]

yeahhh i was looking at madbull just cus you get a fine bang for your buck