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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2004, 03:45:26 PM »
Well most likely you'd be convited of a felony and your question would be answered.  Now if you're asking do we judge people before they've actually done something wrong like they did in the movie "Minority Report" then I think your answer is yes.  Owning a firearm takes common sense and responsibility.  Now you do know that it's possible and legal to own a car without having a drivers license don't you?  It's the same thing, one has to be responsible and learn how to drive it and then get an operators license to be allowed to drive it on public roads.  However, you can legally drive it on your own property without a license.  So how do we handle that.  What if some 15 year old, (with no license) is drving his beat up pickup on the back 40 and runs over some vagrant who's been sleeping in the bushes?  What's your answer for that?
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« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2004, 03:52:09 PM »
leakingpen => to-may-to

Harley => to-mah-to

Maybe it's time to concentrate your efforts toward a NEW thread.  Or maybe it's just me. [:D]
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« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2004, 03:54:39 PM »
Harley => po-tat-o

Leakingpen => po-ta-toe

Funny Christian, but actually I'm enjoying this one!
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« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2004, 03:57:34 PM »
harley...   intimating i'm stupid is one thing,,,  but comparing me to a republican!  im insulted!  lol.

but...
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So when you go to court and your defense lawyer asks you why you didn't check to make sure the gun wasn't loaded you reply, well Harley unloaded it in front of me so I assumed it was safe. You'll most likely get off"  i was referring to that instance.  in that instance, should i still be allowed to own and use firearms?
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« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2004, 03:58:48 PM »
ohh, and in the case of the 15 year old driver, likely a loss of the ability to get a license until at least 18, and if hes caught again without that license, up to 2 years in jail and a 10k fine.  in az at least.
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« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2004, 04:06:01 PM »
Actually there was no insult meant there as those are both correct ways of spelling it.

Now, what you just told me is that the 15 year old gets off with not being allowed to get his license until he's 18?  Why is that any different that if he had been out target shooting and shot the guy by accident?  Do you feel he's not as guilty because it's a car and not a gun and therefore he deserves leniency?

And yes you should still be allowed to own a firearm.  I think after an episode like that you will do one of two things.  

1. Never touch a gun again.

or

2. Learn how to use one properly.
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« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2004, 04:58:33 PM »
All that is happening here is Left Wing rhetoric, and it's pointless.  The Libs have always touted their programs of "remove all possibilities of the stupid public harming themselves and we'll all be safer" while ignoring the FACT tat criminals will then have easier prey.  It's all warm and fuzzy to say that Columbine would never have happened had firearms never been invented...and it's also a lie.  Both of those whacks were also trying to build explosives from common items, and were WHACKS...meaning that they'd have been whacks whether there were guns or not.  You cannot pre-judge a society.  I am not guilty of any crime which I have not yet committed.  Punish those who break the law.  If an idiot in the above-mentioned sense does any of the idiotic things above-mentioned, take his gun rights away and deal with him legally.  In case anyone has forgotten, that's how the legal system is designed.  

One more thing, Leakingpen.  I sympathize with the loss of your friend's mobility.  I really do.  It is tragic.  It is also tragic that your views regarding firearms were so solidly formed because of that incident.  I have been "there" as well.  I've been robbed at gunpoint, had a punk cocking and decocking his revolver hammer as the barrel was tucked into my gut, my home's been broken into, I've been shot at (no, not in the military), etc.  My own views were not formed because I went through this.  I support the 2nd so that I will be in a better position to do something should my friends and loved ones ever find themselves in such circumstances while I am with them.  It is because I love them that I will never be unarmed, and to force registration or training on someone before verifying that such a need exists (most training of firearms happens within the homes of the gun owners, as you said happened with you) could easily lead to a gun NOT being where it is needed, when it is needed.  ANY further (and many current) laws governing firearms use and possession can only further inhibit their much-needed use.  They are critical to a safe society...not the causal factor in violence.  Violent crime is turned away at an estimated FOUR TIMES greater rate because a firearm was present in the hands of the would-be victims as compared to the rate of violent crime carried out with a firearm.
If you love your family, you will protect them with every measure available to you.  If you support rulings to limit the availability, etc. of the most effective defensive tool we now have access to, then you are asking to be a victim in advance.  I hope you never have to watch your friends and family suffer, but if that day does ever come you may re-think your views here.  
You'll say that you and I are addressing different points here, but we are not.  You want mandated registration and training.  I don't want confiscation and restrictions.  The two are undeniably tied, and there are countries all over this world as my proof.  The most infamous supporter of registration was Adolf Hitler, amigo.  
This is not a "po-ta-toe/po-tah-toe" issue, either.  This is deadly serious and every time someone issues sentiments of agreement with gov't control of private weapons like this I shudder.  This is more serious than most people realize, and I wish that were not so.

By the way, we "NRA types" happen to belong to the world's largest firearms education organization in history.  If you want shooters to be educated, you are knocking the wrong group.
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« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2004, 08:09:00 PM »
Oh Stop it already, I'll tell you what, I'm going to keep my gun because it's as American as apple pie!  I apologize for not being "fashinably flamingly Gay" but I am a minority, not because my mother is Mexican and my father is to.  But because I am a Mexican born in America who is actually here legally and pay my taxes!  I apologize for not being Scientologist, for not being on "Atkins" I apologize for not being Politically correct enough that sometimes I call Harley a "Beer Drinking, machine gun shooting Redneck" or Kyle an "Exclusionary, Elitist Mormon" or Leakingpen a "bleeding heart, government wanting to make all of his decisions for him Liberal" we can still be friends with out you judging me right!  I mean I know I'm not perfect, but once again I will keep my guns and be a grown up enough to actually take responsibility for my own actions.  And even though it is not "Envogue" but actually be held accountable for my own actions!  If I go out and wrap my rig around a telephone pole I will be man enough to accept my punishment.  Why can't we all be adults here and have some accountability, instead of skirting around the law, navigate the loop holes to avoid ANY person responsibility with a "Savy" lawyer.

Seriously guys this is getting way out of hand!  No One posting so far on these boards will get away with vehicular or fire arm related murder!  Besides Everyone know you have AT Least be a Heisman Trophy Winner in order to get away with that!  Jason do you have a Heisman, let's see Kyle, um nope, leakingpen, I did't think so!

Po-ta-toe or Po-tat-o, what are you thinking??  Everybody know it's "PAPAS" you "Pendejos!"
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« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2004, 08:24:59 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Raven1</i>
<br />sometimes I call Harley a "Beer Drinking, machine gun shooting Redneck"
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Kinder words have never been spoken amigo!  [:P]
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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2004, 09:41:46 PM »
Why does Harley get to be the only beer drinking, machinegun shooting redneck?  Oh yeah, I drink Vodka!
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« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2004, 12:12:14 AM »
My head hurts...Hector has been rapping again...
And yes, it is "papas."  Agreed, and settled on that note, amiguito.
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« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2003, 11:47:02 PM »
I a very happy everyone sees that I am just putting a humorous spin and a long ago deceased equine that has been morbidly put into a public beat down of tiredly epic proportions.  I guess the nagging question that is irritating the cerebral membrane is said person expressing their heartfelt and passionate view an airsofter?  Is said voice of the republic a gun (Airsoft or otherwise) owner?  It is just beyond me that anyone would run into the auditorium and scream FIRE!  But yet when the same person runs onto the shooting range and yells fire it takes on a new meaning here.

Don't get me wrong here I didn't suddenly gain a few hundred points on my MENSA score (heh, Mensa, tell them what that means in Spanish Kyle) but you won't catch me rolling into the local KKK meeting grabbing Big Bufords daughter's bubble and bitching about where are all the white women at?  But the last thing I am going to do is jump into a discussion and directly challenge a panel of experts on what they know and have been active about their entire adult lives!  Plus I am struggling to keep it all in perspective and keep positive and think well of said poster's opinion and view.  It's just that I am having nightmarish mental images of what the person's true intentions are here.  Are they really an airsofter or just someone who is bored at work, stumbled across this site and decided to hop on in.  IS he just killing time between the next class, blog site up keep and PETA protest all while simultaneously multitasking the next flash mob uprising all in the spirit of it's my right to express myself as an American.  Forgive me for thinking to myself is this the kid who's hair, nails, clothes and make up were all black because they were expressing their individuality?  Which I never really understood because if all the Goth's are doing is expressing individuality then why do they all look the same!  I am sorry for thinking this way, I'm sure he is a well adjusted young man who is learning to make his mark on the world.  Stumbling ever onward towards becoming an open minded, deep thinking, look beyond the obvious, forgiving, compassionate and understanding responsible adult.  Don't get me wrong here I just want to understand!

Look it's really pretty simple, game recognizes game and when you are the man, you are the man it's that simple.  If you walk around NFL style screaming I'm Da Man, chances are you are not the man.  But actions speak louder than words people (Insert Biggie Smalls reference here) "recognize a Don when you see one."  For those who don't know of the 2 most prominent people posting in the above posts Are Experts.  One was an elite fighting soldier in the United States Army Airborne, the other is sought out by and regularly trains and trains with top law enforcement personnel.  Neither of whom you have EVER seen walking around strutting like chickens clucking "we bad, who's your daddy or say my name bitch!"  They are who they are because that's their nature, quietly doing what they do, do it well and when it's all over go home to wifey every night.

This board is filled with people just like that, some have posted and some have not.  There are also people who do not possess the life experience of others but ask intelligent well thought out questions.  It's a great dynamic between the two, a balance if you will.  All have one thing in common, we like to play airsoft, many of us share other outside interests.  So my question is why anyone would want to instigate any ill will from “NRAâ€￾ types and then be surprised at any backlash that comes their way!  So let me be the first to extend the olive branch and say come my personal fav to shoot as far as real steel guns go..that thing is a BLAST!), and preferances on brands.  I also tried to find a longer barrel gun that i felt looked interesting, but frankly i just prefer the smaller arms.  HOWEVER... im 6'5" 250lbs...lol.  So the small guns look a bit odd on me.  I DID however feel very comfortable shooting the real deal.  So anyways.. i saw that the two major brands were Tokyo and Classic.... i loved the sound of the classic army models being that they are metal for the most part.  But most folks here seemd to prefer teh Tokyo models as far as internal quality (i aint talking mags.. i can buy tokyo mags for either i believe).  So i went over to The Command Post off of I-17 and Bell today to check out what they had.  They DID have the Tokyo MP5SD, but that was about it...lol taht and 2 Aug's (personaly i think Augs are some of the ugliest guns out there...but many folks love em).  So i asked to see the mp5, and was amazed at how cheap it felt... what a bummer!  The fake silencer actualy squeaked when i gripped it in my hand to bring the sights up to my eye level.  So i guess im asking... is this normal? are all the Tokyo models like this?  If so i think ill end up with a Classic Army version instead, with a few Tokyo mags.  So then i get to thinking about barrel lenght and accuracy.  How do you guys feel the mp5's and such (P90 as well), work out while in an open arena rather than CQB?  Are they adaquate for a first weapon?  Or is it really a much better idea to get a longer barrel to start with?  any help would be GREAT!

As far as other gear goes, im going to go against what most of you guys seem to say on the board, and go with less expensive items in several catagories.  Vests in particular....  Seeing as this is new for me, i want to get some inexpensive stuff to start with... if it wears out after 6 months... well hell.. if ive been playing for 6 months, then i obviously LIKE DOIN IT... and will then drop some decent cash into some quality equipment.  I wont however compromise on footwear.... thats just too damn important!

Well i should stop rambling now....

Thanks a ton for the well wishes on the wedding as well!  Im off to vegas on wed morning, adn will be gone for a week for it.  Cant wait to be dragged out by my buds on friday night....  man im gonna be hungover on sat!

Thanks again!

Ruiner
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