[yellowmonkey]

Giland, I'm about to cry here... that was beautiful.

[gixser13]

I do agree with the 18 year old law when it come to airsoft(sorry guys under 18)
but Paco is also right, I see your point Paco and you are right, The law will not hold a 15 year old kid responsible for his actions, They will blame the parents, Airsoft companies, movies, and groups like us for there actions,
but it could be worse they could raise it to 21 thats the drinking age and the legal age to own a handgun

[Ninja]

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So you support federal regulations on airsoft guns as long as they don't effect you huh?
Once that door is open, what is to keep them from banning "assault-type" airsoft guns? would you rather the only thing you can buy would be a springer pistol?

You are 100% right, someone who is under 18 is NOT responsible for his actions (legally), his parents are. So why are you trying to make the government responsible for him instead of his parents? Why let the government decide what he can and can't do? Don't we have enough laws now restricting what we can do?

Has it come down to turning on each other in hopes that people who don't like guns of any type will be happy? Lets give up those under 18, maybe then they (anti-gun, anti-airsoft) will be satified. No? How about those over 50? Still not happy? How about automatic guns? Still not? How about electric guns all together? Who are you willing to sacrifice to make them happy?
When someone is against something, when they see people who partake of that willing to plea bargain and make sacrifices, they attack more zealously.
Instead of having two groups of people, those over 18 and those under 18, we need to have 1 group of people, those who play airsoft. There is strength in unity, there is only defeat when we turn on our own.
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This argument isn't going to sway anyone.  

No one will try to ban airsoft by category.  These are toys made overseas, so you just ban the importation and/or production of of them entirely.

Not only that, but there's not any strength in unifying all the players.  As essentially a legal nonentity, what is a minor adding to the voice of airsoft?

You wouldn't have a case if you tried to argue for minors owning real guns...no matter how responsible.

[Firehead]

what kind of "actions" exactly are you talking about. the problem is, if you dont teach a kid the consequenses for stupid ****, nothing gets done. yes, it is the parents fault of their dumb **** kid robs a store with a fake gun. you cant jsut say cuz they are under 18, they are ****ed. you gotta teach them. you have the teach them that you need to treat these like real guns, not like the toys they appear to be. if some dumbass kid gets his brains blow out by a cop, yes that is the parents fault. they let their kid go out with a real looking gun and they get killed the parents failed to their job as a parent. if the kid is a psycho and the parent knows it, and lets them buy they gun anyway and the kid robs a store, that is the parents fault. now somethign that is fair: when a person buys a gun, make them take a class on how to properly take care of and handle his weapon, before they are allowed to take the weapon home. i do understand that when stuff like that happens people will blame the companies, but if someone were to explain to them that there is a law about being 18 to purchase, and that a parent must approve of it, something would change. it would still come back to parents. its kinda like blaming beer companies for kids getting drunk, when in fact its the parents fault for allowing their children to get drunk.

[Ninja]

I don't think it's the job of the airsoft community to bring minors in and teach them about airsoft safety. The job is to protect the ability of those kids to play airsoft when they get old enough.

[yellowmonkey]

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<br />I don't think it's the job of the airsoft community to bring minors in and teach them about airsoft safety. The job is to protect the ability of those kids to play airsoft when they get old enough.
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I think your dead wrong, if there were no minors playing the sport, all you would have are the diehard ex-military guys, and old paintballers. While the amount of professionalism would be much higher, there would be 10 times less players. Don't even pretend to think that you folgies are the only ones who own airsoft guns... for every one of the professionals out there, there are 5 kiddies with AEG's. Whithout the teenage players airsoft would shrivel up into nothing. Airsoft businesses could simply not survive. The same goes for paintball.

You guys have always been mostly hostile to the kiddies, until you get to know them. Luckily for you, there are those of us youths who will welcome them into the sport. Airsoft needs kiddies to keep the sport alive as much as it needs the professionals to keep it a quality sport.

[Paco]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by yellowmonkey</i>
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<br />I don't think it's the job of the airsoft community to bring minors in and teach them about airsoft safety. The job is to protect the ability of those kids to play airsoft when they get old enough.
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I think your dead wrong, if there were no minors playing the sport, all you would have are the diehard ex-military guys, and old paintballers. While the amount of professionalism would be much higher, there would be 10 times less players. Don't even pretend to think that you folgies are the only ones who own airsoft guns... for every one of the professionals out there, there are 5 kiddies with AEG's. Whithout the teenage players airsoft would shrivel up into nothing. Airsoft businesses could simply not survive. The same goes for paintball.

You guys have always been mostly hostile to the kiddies, until you get to know them. Luckily for you, there are those of us youths who will welcome them into the sport. Airsoft needs kiddies to keep the sport alive as much as it needs the professionals to keep it a quality sport.
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*sigh*

You still don't understand...

[yellowmonkey]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ninja</i>
<br />I don't think it's the job of the airsoft community to bring minors in and teach them about airsoft safety. The job is to protect the ability of those kids to play airsoft when they get old enough.
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I think your dead wrong, if there were no minors playing the sport, all you would have are the diehard ex-military guys, and old paintballers. While the amount of professionalism would be much higher, there would be 10 times less players. Don't even pretend to think that you folgies are the only ones who own airsoft guns... for every one of the professionals out there, there are 5 kiddies with AEG's. Whithout the teenage players airsoft would shrivel up into nothing. Airsoft businesses could simply not survive. The same goes for paintball.

You guys have always been mostly hostile to the kiddies, until you get to know them. Luckily for you, there are those of us youths who will welcome them into the sport. Airsoft needs kiddies to keep the sport alive as much as it needs the professionals to k.  I only buy domestic when the price is right!

[gixser13]

I read this today in the paper..

Making it 'fun' to shoot people?
May. 6, 2004 12:00 AM


Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse when it came to violence among our youth there comes the "Cyber-Gun S.A." company and their replica firearms for kids.

The Republic on Sunday pictures a 13-year-old holding what appears to be a "weapon of mass destruction" if taken onto a local high school campus. The manufacturer says it is harmless and has less firepower than a paintball or BB gun.

What message does this send to kids? It seems to prepare them for the "real thing."

According to one 13-year-old, the son of a local elected official, "It's fun to, you know, shoot other people without hurting them too bad."

Not hurting too bad?

His mother is quoted as saying, "It doesn't hurt as much and doesn't leave welts."

Isn't going to leave welts?

What is it going to leave?

It'll leave a reminder that some kid out there has the potential of growing up thinking that it's "fun" to shoot people.

As a retired member of the local law enforcement community, I am appalled at the attitude taken by these people.

According to state law, merely pointing a gun at someone is an assault.

These guns are marketed toward children, and should they point one of these things at the wrong person the consequences could prove deadly. - Arnold H. Carlson, Tempe
The writer is retired from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office.http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0506thurlets064.html#