Forced Milsim....

[yammie r6s]

The whole point to playing airsoft is to roleplay. If you wanna be a tard and run around dressed like a mullet wearing bum and think your cool doing so then fine, be my guest. Find a group of equally silly people and start your own thing.
95% of real airballers play for the milsim aspect, period, end of discussion. Id make jokes and shoot you as much as possible for dressing/acting stupid on purpose during an AA or any organized local airsoft game. We all have our own styles and types of tactics as teams but, we have the same goals: to own cool replica guns, shoot them at people and MILSIM.

so this isnt "frowning" ? i mean come on this quote isn't very inviting

[mini-support]

The whole point to playing airsoft is to roleplay. If you wanna be a tard and run around dressed like a mullet wearing bum and think your cool doing so then fine, be my guest. Find a group of equally silly people and start your own thing.
95% of real airballers play for the milsim aspect, period, end of discussion. Id make jokes and shoot you as much as possible for dressing/acting stupid on purpose during an AA or any organized local airsoft game. We all have our own styles and types of tactics as teams but, we have the same goals: to own cool replica guns, shoot them at people and MILSIM.

so this isnt "frowning" ? i mean come on this quote isn't very inviting

Simply an opinion and worded as such. Grow a backbone already. Sucks for you if my forward and blunt opinion offends you. Its a free country, do whatever the f*ck you want, most of us here milsim is the point.

[Doc Hollywood]

Neither is a bunch of strangers coming into our house and throwing shit around...

Mini Support and I don't always see eye to eye on things but he is a Vet and I would go to war with him anytime and anywhere because he is honorable and would never leave someone behind.

His opinion, at this junction considering you are 7 posts old in this fucked up fraternity, means a LOT more than anything you might vomit.

Note to new guys, take a moment to observe and get to know the place before you puke on our carpet.... thats all that is asked of you....

But what the hell do I know...

EDIT:  Looks like Mikey needs to add "fucked" to the stop Doc from cussing filter.....

[yammie r6s]

well considering my newb status, i should have kept to myself. i did not intend to get knee deep in someone elses shit so i'll leave it at that.

[infinitydragon11]

Neither is a bunch of strangers coming into our house and throwing s*** around...

Mini Support and I don't always see eye to eye on things but he is a Vet and I would go to war with him anytime and anywhere because he is honorable and would never leave someone behind.

His opinion, at this junction considering you are 7 posts old in this fucked up fraternity, means a LOT more than anything you might vomit.

Note to new guys, take a moment to observe and get to know the place before you puke on our carpet.... thats all that is asked of you....

But what the hell do I know...

EDIT:  Looks like Mikey needs to add "fucked" to the stop Doc from cussing filter.....

earn my place? fraternity?  this is a forum... a place to go and talk about the game.  what the hell is wrong with talking about a game we all play? just because ive only posted 10 times here doesnt mean ive only played nine games, or dont have tactical training.  i may be a newb on the forum but im sure not a newb on the field.

[Doc Hollywood]

ok hero....

good luck with all that....

[Bobaganoosh]

What I've found throughout my Airsoft "career" is that milsim is the most challenging and most rewarding way to play the game. We don't make up the rules as we go, there a certain rules that are everlasting. If you have some guy running around with a hunting camo jacket and jeans, it takes a bit out of it for those who want that milsim experience and, from my perspective, I usually find these people to be the most likely to not call hits, use hot weapons, or be an all around douche in general.

[Ares]

earn my place? fraternity?  this is a forum... a place to go and talk about the game.  what the hell is wrong with talking about a game we all play? just because ive only posted 10 times here doesnt mean ive only played nine games, or dont have tactical training.  i may be a newb on the forum but im sure not a newb on the field.

whats ur real age, rambo?

[fathamburger]

This is something I've felt for awhile ever since I first started showing up here and the reason I'm not as involved even though now I have opportunity to be.  Even if it is true that milsim isn't "Forced" at games etc, the attitude here is has a prevalent feel of "don't show up at all unless you have full gear, M4 or Armalite" etc. For example I run an MP5 (until I get a proper longgun) + woodland BDU's, am I going to be turned away if I showed up because I'm not wearing MARPAT and woodland isnt issue anymore, and get a real gun you goddamn noob?

I am not against milsim. Milsim is what attracted me to airsoft and is my end goal gear wise. However the way a lot of you carry on,  you might as well rename his place to milsim arizona, not airsoft arizona. That is a decision that might have to be made soon judging by this post. Like people have said, Airsoft are people running around with airsoft guns shooting at each other. You can play copsim, terrorist sim, whatever. Why does milsim have to be exclusive? That would be just as bad as only playing CQB swatsim forever. Wouldn't it get boring?

I prefer to think of Airsoft as the medium, not milsim. I used to do milsim with paintball back in the day when it was underground and our only avenue of doing so. Milsim is incredibly fun and incredibly satisfying, but airsoft wise, how do you think people will work up to that point. Other playing styles allow you to get playing sooner and get involved and make further investment gear wise.

Right now I play with a group that has specifically requested that we do not invite anyone from AA, I think that's a bit harsh since I think the problem is, do not invite any hardcore milsim guys from AA who will give you crap about your gear or playing style. Perhaps make up different forums for milsim, copsim, fantasy/counterstrike/gaming style whatever. That would be a start. It would be nice if one day this place represented AIRSOFT ARIZONA, as opposed to just milsim arizona. Until then, I'll only come here for anything related to milsim.

[B00MINATOR]

This is something I've felt for awhile ever since I first started showing up here and the reason I'm not as involved even though now I have opportunity to be.  Even if it is true that milsim isn't "Forced" at games etc, the attitude here is has a prevalent feel of "don't show up at all unless you have full gear, M4 or Armalite" etc. For example I run an MP5 (until I get a proper longgun) + woodland BDU's, am I going to be turned away if I showed up because I'm not wearing MARPAT and woodland isnt issue anymore, and get a real gun you goddamn noob?

I am not against milsim. Milsim is what attracted me to airsoft and is my end goal gear wise. However the way a lot of you carry on,  you might as well rename his place to milsim arizona, not airsoft arizona. That is a decision that might have to be made soon judging by this post. Like people have said, Airsoft are people running around with airsoft guns shooting at each other. You can play copsim, terrorist sim, whatever. Why does milsim have to be exclusive? That would be just as bad as only playing CQB swatsim forever. Wouldn't it get boring?

I prefer to think of Airsoft as the medium, not milsim. I used to do milsim with paintball back in the day when it was underground and our only avenue of doing so. Milsim is incredibly fun and incredibly satisfying, but airsoft wise, how do you think people will work up to that point. Other playing styles allow you to get playing sooner and get involved and make further investment gear wise.

Right now I play with a group that has specifically requested that we do not invite anyone from AA, I think that's a bit harsh since I think the problem is, do not invite any hardcore milsim guys from AA who will give you crap about your gear or playing style. Perhaps make up different forums for milsim, copsim, fantasy/counterstrike/gaming style whatever. That would be a start. It would be nice if one day this place represented AIRSOFT ARIZONA, as opposed to just milsim arizona. Until then, I'll only come here for anything related to milsim.

Very well said.

It may not be AA's attempt to come across as "milsim or die," but it sure does reflect that way most of the time.
Now, I have nothing against milsim or AA, but I think some slack needs to be given.

Just last weekend, I got together with 6 of my closest friends.
You know what we did, we constructed ~80-by-20 foot airsoft "speedball" arena in his backyard and played with nothing more but eye wear, shorts, and a t-shirt.
Let me just tell you, it was LOADS of fun.

I don't think airsoft should lean towards paintball.
However, I don't think milsim should be a required factor.

Why do you play milsim?
The answer is because you enjoy it.
Now, why should this factor be any different for any other form of airsoft...

-B00M!

[KOBO]

I have never seen anyone turned away because they didn’t have a specific rifle or camo pattern. There are many different varieties of gear, guns, and camo that are being used when we play, that has never been an issue and I do not believe it will be. There has been time when people show up just putting mags in their pockets. If you look at the rules camp is defined as desert or woodland. We use that to identify teams; do you know how hard it is to tell if a member is part of your team of 30 people when they are not in a distinctive uniform such as desert? Besides color it doesn’t matter if you have chocolate chip, 3 color, or some European desert camo, its all in the desert scheme.

Again, this board was set up with a group of guys that are involved with the milsim aspect. That is the culture of our board. The board has a lot of other information about airsoft in general, but we are a group of milsim players. Now on the boards has it been harsh? Yes it has, but you are voluntarily coming onto this board that supports milsim. If you have another style of play that is great, none of us are going go you your group of guys and say you are not doing it right, but here on our board that is how we play.

Again, come and check out the forums and if you get any information that you are looking for that is great, do not expect us to change the board because you want it another way.

[studdermonkey]

Why the fuck is everyone getting so goddamn technical? If you like playing one way, play that way. Fuck whoever thinks you're in the wrong, they won't matter. Not like you've got to deal with them all the time.

I like Milsim because it's more fun, I like playing soldier. Plisken is for PS2 and Bond is for DVD. That's all my opinion. Again, my opinion matters to me and only me. Nobody else. No point in arguing.

[Fish]

my opinion matters to me and only me. Nobody else.

I think that it's easier said than done.

I showed up to a game, with my AK and drum mag. And I got so much sh!t about it. And I'm not the kind of person who would be effected by that, but that was a lot of sh!t everyone gave me.

"Oh, fish, WTF?? what's up with that f*cking drum mag"
"Dude, is that a f*cking drum mag!?"
"WTF?"
"That looks so gay"
*load of dirty looks*
Now I know it wasn't exactly the sexiest gun, but the only reason I got sh!t, is because it wasn't milsim. If the setup could be done in real life, I doubt anyone would say anything.

I must say I enjoy dressing up for events, it's sometimes the funnest part. Reasently I have become very interested in impressions. I do agree though that milsim shouldn't be required, I personaly would prefer it, because I already have gear and it's nice to play with everyone who is serious about the sport. But some people just can't get that, and they shouldn't be excluded from games. Also, I F*CKING HATE THE NEW, "NO HICAP RULE" which is now getting more popular . That's worse than anything else.

[fathamburger]

my opinion matters to me and only me. Nobody else.

I think that it's easier said than done.

I showed up to a game, with my AK and drum mag. And I got so much sh!t about it. And I'm not the kind of person who would be effected by that, but that was a lot of sh!t everyone gave me.

"Oh, fish, WTF?? what's up with that f*cking drum mag"
"Dude, is that a f*cking drum mag!?"
"WTF?"
"That looks so gay"
*load of dirty looks*
Now I know it wasn't exactly the sexiest gun, but the only reason I got sh!t, is because it wasn't milsim. If the setup could be done in real life, I doubt anyone would say anything.

I must say I enjoy dressing up for events, it's sometimes the funnest part. Reasently I have become very interested in impressions. I do agree though that milsim shouldn't be required, I personaly would prefer it, because I already have gear and it's nice to play with everyone who is serious about the sport. But some people just can't get that, and they shouldn't be excluded from games. Also, I F*CKING HATE THE NEW, "NO HICAP RULE" which is now getting more popular . That's worse than anything else.

You know, of all the things to be nazi about. A drum mag shouldnt be one of them. I can understand jeans and tshirt, or kids running around bunny hopping like in Quake but seriously, a drum mag CAN be done in real life. There is no reason why there should be some milsim bs drama about it. I know someone irl who has been saving to buy an real steel romanian AK and the first thing he is getting is a drum mag. Why? who wouldnt want more bullets. It may not be the most practical thing weight wise and it may be rare but it *can* be done.

As for the no hi-cap rule, its not the ridiculous amounts of extra ammo that bugs me about them, it's the rattle. Running around with a gun that sounds like you're running around with a big bag of shaker fries attached to your gun is a real killjoy for me, milsim or not lol. Hi caps are better suited for more loose and fun speedball or spray and pray type games though. Everything has their place.

[Fish]

I have a feeling this will turn into one of those many "drum mag discussions".

Sorry I wasn't being very specific. I had an AK 47 MAG drum, on a AK74. And that couldn't be done in real life, I would need to get a AK74 drum, which is very rare.