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« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2006, 06:38:00 PM »
Thank Bhudda for the Lionclaws Series national milsim events....
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2006, 01:25:57 AM »
Quote from: "Fish"
I have a feeling this will turn into one of those many "drum mag discussions".

Sorry I wasn't being very specific. I had an AK 47 MAG drum, on a AK74. And that couldn't be done in real life, I would need to get a AK74 drum, which is very rare.


I hate to slide more into the bullshit, but wake up, kid.  If you go to a fuckin' game that's being put together by OTHER people and you don't like the rules, then leave. That's not people being Nazi-Mil-Sim. It's you not wanting to play by someone elses rules. If you don't like it, run your own damned game!

This is where we must differentiate between this "Forced Mil-Sim", and people who just don't like the way things are run.
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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2006, 08:42:11 AM »
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I hate to slide more into the bullshit, but wake up, kid.  If you go to a fuckin' game that's being put together by OTHER people and you don't like the rules, then leave. That's not people being Nazi-Mil-Sim. It's you not wanting to play by someone elses rules. If you don't like it, run your own damned game!

This is where we must differentiate between this "Forced Mil-Sim", and people who just don't like the way things are run.


Well said.

We all have "agreed" how we want to play and what we want to wear.  We have also agreed that the type of airsoft we wanted to play is of the MILSIM variety.  If you don't like it, take your marbles and go home.

Try showing up at IRENE or LC in your T-shirt and tennies....you won't get through the gate.  We have decided the same.  

Not for you?  Goodbye then......
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« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2006, 03:08:47 AM »
You guys are going more than a little overboard here. First of all, nobody on tihs thread is saying they want to turn up in a tshirt and sneakers. You're making that assumption on your own.

On one hand you have a post from somebody who says no one will get turned away because they don't have a particular pattern and there is a variety of guns etc etc and right after that "a different type of drum mag is bullshit go eff yourself". We can argue all about technicalities till the cows come home, but regardless of whatever your personal poison of "legit" is, it is  this kind of attitude that is the real problem.

So how is a different drum mag unacceptable but someone running around with a "different" kind of gun, P90, FAMAS (love them or hate them) or even a G36 okay? I have to admit I don't know the intricate differences between the 74 and the 47 drum mags but if outwardly they look the same but with a different interface then what is the problem? You're already airsofting, however "legit" you are striving to be, you're running a gun that shoots plastic BB's, there already is an element of make believe whether you like to admit it or not. I don't see drum mags often at stores either, maybe Fish didn't have a chance to get the proper mag for his gun. Sounds like you guys are more concerned with the gear than what type of player the player is.

Personally, if I was to be a real stickler for milsim, I wouldnt turn up wearing old style camo since it is no longer "realistic".
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« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2006, 10:34:51 AM »
Quote from: "fathamburger"
You guys are going more than a little overboard here. First of all, nobody on tihs thread is saying they want to turn up in a tshirt and sneakers. You're making that assumption on your own.

On one hand you have a post from somebody who says no one will get turned away because they don't have a particular pattern and there is a variety of guns etc etc and right after that "a different type of drum mag is bullshit go eff yourself". We can argue all about technicalities till the cows come home, but regardless of whatever your personal poison of "legit" is, it is  this kind of attitude that is the real problem.

So how is a different drum mag unacceptable but someone running around with a "different" kind of gun, P90, FAMAS (love them or hate them) or even a G36 okay? I have to admit I don't know the intricate differences between the 74 and the 47 drum mags but if outwardly they look the same but with a different interface then what is the problem? You're already airsofting, however "legit" you are striving to be, you're running a gun that shoots plastic BB's, there already is an element of make believe whether you like to admit it or not. I don't see drum mags often at stores either, maybe Fish didn't have a chance to get the proper mag for his gun. Sounds like you guys are more concerned with the gear than what type of player the player is.

Personally, if I was to be a real stickler for milsim, I wouldnt turn up wearing old style camo since it is no longer "realistic".


Why the hell are you guys still complaining about this. The person aruging about the Drum mag is 14 YEARS OLD. He can't he play a legit AA game. So nothing he says matters since it's all forum talk. Boominator is in the same league. The rest have never even played an AA game. And I think it is asinine and completly disrespectful to say:

"Right now I play with a group that has specifically requested that we do not invite anyone from AA, I think that's a bit harsh since I think the problem is, do not invite any hardcore milsim guys from AA who will give you crap about your gear or playing style."

Then come here and help stir up an arguement. If you don't like it LEAVE since you aready have. Alot of you are making assumptions and being a little freaken forum trolls.



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OMFG tennis shoes at an AA game. Was I giving shit for it, NO. Did they make fun of me, NO. Did they do anything negative to me, NO. You are assuming all your facts and making wild guesses based on the recounts of other people. Why don't you go to a game then start this asshatery to their faces. This group does represent Arizona. Since they are willing to fork out the cash to travel the nation and play in the big ops. Don't like it? To bad.

As Farslayer said,

"Not for you? Goodbye then......"
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« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2006, 11:47:08 AM »
Quote from: "Fish"
Now I know it wasn't exactly the sexiest gun, but the only reason I got sh!t, is because it wasn't milsim.


I've never been on the field with you, but are you absolutely sure the problem with you using a box mag was because it wasn't milsim? You might want to ask some of the guys you play with to speak up, just in case it was one or more of the following:

- lack of trigger control, meaning you're firing in long, extended bursts that are hitting players with far more bb's than necessary?

- the field/area is too small to allow movement under such a heavy volume of fire, thus dragging on scenerios and making the game end in a stalemate (running out the time given for the scenerio)?

- maybe they don't consider you an honorable player that regularly calls your hits, and this is just something else against you?

- no one else had money and/or access to similar equipment, and they felt too intimidated to let you use it?

Again, I'm not attacking you or anything of the sort, I just want to make sure the facts are straight. I've been airsofting for quite a few years now, and have never seen anyone turned away from any local events due to what they're wearing or what rifle they carry.

This hobby tends to lean towards milsim because of the styles of weapons  available, and the areas we play. I know I started wearing BDU's not to be more military-like, but to help me blend in to the areas I was playing and to give me a small advantage. Not to mention it's a dedicated set of "play clothes" to get dirty, wet, muddy, etc. while not ruining a good set of clothes that can't handle the rigors of aggressive play. I wear boots to offer ankle support over rough terrain and to protect my feet, not to look cool.

Bottom line - If you don't like the mil-sim aspects, come up with something better to organize a group of people that like to shoot each other with plastic bb's. I know Tucson players utilze other styles of play occasionally, and I know others that do too. If it's fun, people will show up.
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« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2006, 03:49:26 PM »
I was just using it as an exaple, I'm getting rid of that thing anyway. I wasn't turned down, I was just stating that at the event I was at, those were people's reactions.
Anyway, this was started by a person who who read a few posts and assumed everything. And now that I re-read my post, sorry, it was kind of stupid.
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« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2006, 04:17:14 PM »
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This is something I've felt for awhile ever since I first started showing up here and the reason I'm not as involved even though now I have opportunity to be.  Even if it is true that milsim isn't "Forced" at games etc, the attitude here is has a prevalent feel of "don't show up at all unless you have full gear, M4 or Armalite" etc. For example I run an MP5 (until I get a proper longgun) + woodland BDU's, am I going to be turned away if I showed up because I'm not wearing MARPAT and woodland isnt issue anymore, and get a real gun you goddamn noob?

Woah, dude. You know better than this. I met you. You were cool. You voiced this concern, I said hey man, no, that's not how it is, you should come and have fun as long as you have the requisite gear (an AEG, any AEG and eye protection).

So, summarily, like, wtfever.

Quote from: "fathamburger"
Right now I play with a group that has specifically requested that we do not invite anyone from AA, I think that's a bit harsh since I think the problem is, do not invite any hardcore milsim guys from AA who will give you crap about your gear or playing style.


That's awfully rude. I don't know anybody I play with who will give anybody crap about their gear or playing style. Like, I've got good gear. I know people who don't. They're still my friends. This is baseless, at the least, libelous even.

Other than that, like, all I got to say in this thread is that it's retarded. If you want to hold an airsoft game, post it. Some people here DO like stuff other than milsim. Just because the Official AirsoftArizona games are milsim oriented does not mean that AirsoftArizona as a forum is against milsim. I don't even see how milsim is forced on anybody on this board.

The real players on here wouldn't touch this backyard stuff with a thirty foot pole, so it's a non issue. Not saying that it's any less legitimate, but like it or not, milsim is the flavor, milsim is popular.

For fuck's sake, people.
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« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2006, 04:35:52 PM »
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Quote from: "fathamburger"
This is something I've felt for awhile ever since I first started showing up here and the reason I'm not as involved even though now I have opportunity to be.  Even if it is true that milsim isn't "Forced" at games etc, the attitude here is has a prevalent feel of "don't show up at all unless you have full gear, M4 or Armalite" etc. For example I run an MP5 (until I get a proper longgun) + woodland BDU's, am I going to be turned away if I showed up because I'm not wearing MARPAT and woodland isnt issue anymore, and get a real gun you goddamn noob?

Woah, dude. You know better than this. I met you. You were cool. You voiced this concern, I said hey man, no, that's not how it is, you should come and have fun as long as you have the requisite gear (an AEG, any AEG and eye protection).

So, summarily, like, wtfever.

Quote from: "fathamburger"
Right now I play with a group that has specifically requested that we do not invite anyone from AA, I think that's a bit harsh since I think the problem is, do not invite any hardcore milsim guys from AA who will give you crap about your gear or playing style.

That's awfully rude. I don't know anybody I play with who will give anybody crap about their gear or playing style. Like, I've got good gear. I know people who don't. They're still my friends. This is baseless, at the least, libelous even.

Other than that, like, all I got to say in this thread is that it's retarded. If you want to hold an airsoft game, post it. Some people here DO like stuff other than milsim. Just because the Official AirsoftArizona games are milsim oriented does not mean that AirsoftArizona as a forum is against milsim. I don't even see how milsim is forced on anybody on this board.

The real players on here wouldn't touch this backyard stuff with a thirty foot pole, so it's a non issue. Not saying that it's any less legitimate, but like it or not, milsim is the flavor, milsim is popular.

For ****'s sake, people.



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« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2006, 04:36:56 PM »
That's it...I'm locking this thread. :?
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« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2006, 05:42:55 PM »
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Quote from: "fathamburger"
You guys are going more than a little overboard here. First of all, nobody on tihs thread is saying they want to turn up in a tshirt and sneakers. You're making that assumption on your own.

On one hand you have a post from somebody who says no one will get turned away because they don't have a particular pattern and there is a variety of guns etc etc and right after that "a different type of drum mag is bullshit go eff yourself". We can argue all about technicalities till the cows come home, but regardless of whatever your personal poison of "legit" is, it is  this kind of attitude that is the real problem.

So how is a different drum mag unacceptable but someone running around with a "different" kind of gun, P90, FAMAS (love them or hate them) or even a G36 okay? I have to admit I don't know the intricate differences between the 74 and the 47 drum mags but if outwardly they look the same but with a different interface then what is the problem? You're already airsofting, however "legit" you are striving to be, you're running a gun that shoots plastic BB's, there already is an element of make believe whether you like to admit it or not. I don't see drum mags often at stores either, maybe Fish didn't have a chance to get the proper mag for his gun. Sounds like you guys are more concerned with the gear than what type of player the player is.

Personally, if I was to be a real stickler for milsim, I wouldnt turn up wearing old style camo since it is no longer "realistic".
He can't he play a legit AA game. So nothing he says matters since it's all forum talk. Boominator is in the same league.

"Not for you? Goodbye then......"


Oh of course.
My bad.
I've never participated in a game of real milsim before because it wasn't AA milsim.

Allow me to make this straight, you sound no better than a whiny 16 year old right now.

I never made any personal attacks against AA.
I was simply expressing my thoughts on the matter.
If you can't respect that, than I'm not the one who needs the maturity check.

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« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2006, 10:32:14 PM »
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That's it...I'm locking this thread. :?


like, WHEN???

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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2006, 10:52:39 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2006, 12:14:23 AM »
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« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2006, 09:12:37 AM »
I just have to say that I love all the hardcore milsim guys in here who walk around with hi-caps or mid caps, fire full auto bursts that would melt a real barrel, and then bitch and complain about people in non-military clothing.  Here's a fucking solution to all the bitching and complaining put all the players in non-military clothing on one team and call them insurgents.  Jesus chritst I can't believe this thread has gone on for five pages with nothing but bitching and complaining.  Why don't you guys just enjoy the damn game.  Some poeple on here seem to bitch about anything said, especially if it comes from someone with less than 3,000,000,000 posts.  The only thing a high post count proves is that your on the damn internet too much.  You know for people who supposedly dissaprove of paintball so much you sure act alot like them.
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