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America: Freedom to Fascism
« on: October 16, 2006, 08:44:25 PM »
Anyone seen the movie yet?  Its playing at Harkins - Valley Art. Supposably makes Fahrenheit 9/11 "look like Bambi."
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2006, 09:02:20 PM »
Let me guess, a Democrat made it?
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2006, 09:02:55 PM »
Why would we like to watch prapaganda? This is of course if it follows any idealogy of Fahrenheit 9/11.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2006, 09:24:15 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America:_Freedom_to_Fascism

Through filmed interviews with individuals opposed to taxation of labor or income, Russo sets forth the tax protester argument that, "there is no law requiring an income tax" (see below), and that the personal income tax was created to support the activities of the Federal Reserve System.

It'd be nice not to have nearly $400 of my paycheck taken off because of stuff like that.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2006, 09:30:03 PM »
I'm politically inept, but GODDAMN! My Dad would have a field day with this one!  Liberals this, democrats that...  He hates my blue haired liberal cousin...
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2006, 10:25:57 PM »
Ok, I'm a bit disappointed, but I have Michael Moore to blame.  Y'all need to get into the habit of Googling and Wikipedia'ing before drawing your assumptions, especially when it comes to the "things aren't always what they seem" sort of stuff I post.

The movie was NOT made by a Demorcrat or any other liberal, but rather by Aaron Russo, who lost the Libertarian Party's bid for President becuase he was too right-wing on some issues (and also the experiment with Instant-Runoff election).  Russo is sort of what some Republicans were like before they began being led by the nose by theocrats.

The movie talks about issues with the national ID, the federal reserve, and other things nanny-liberals and big-government conservatives support "for your own good."  I don't have too many details on it yet, its not a widely advertised film.  I'll prolly see it this week.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 07:20:33 AM »
Some of you people need to chill the hell out. What is wrong with being liberal on some issues? It is because of this attitude that we have such an inept government right now. Damn.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2006, 03:48:48 PM »
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Some of you people need to chill the hell out. What is wrong with being liberal on some issues? It is because of this attitude that we have such an inept government right now. Damn.


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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 10:15:42 PM »
I just got done watching the movie... I don't know where to begin.  This film is far, far from liberal.  Do not bring a date to this movie.  This film is a waking introspection and will not leave you feeling good about your government, or the coagulation of global interests that would like to erase your borders and wipe away national sovereignty like a nostalgic memory.  You will also hate the IRS even more than you already do.
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 07:51:01 PM »
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Through filmed interviews with individuals opposed to taxation of labor or income, Russo sets forth the tax protester argument that, "there is no law requiring an income tax" (see below), and that the personal income tax was created to support the activities of the Federal Reserve System.


These anti-tax people are morons.  Taxes pay for essential services, which if we were lacking, this country would be a shith*le more akin to a rinkydink nation in Africa or South America.

Like being able to drive on an actual road?  Taxes paid for it.

Like the fact that if your house catches fire or your child falls in the pool, the fire department shows up?

Like the fact that you have a free education?

Your streets are patrolled by police, the military stands guard over our country, welfare is in place to support those who have fallen on hard times, etc.


As an American, we have a strong nation which provides us a safe place to live.  We have the right to say as we wish, do what we wish (within reason), believe as we wish, etc.  These people need to look at the US Constitution.  In exhange for all that, all we're asked to do is pay the taxes necessary to support the country and to serve on juries when called.

Rant concludes.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2006, 08:35:16 PM »
I understand the need for reasonable taxes, not excessive or superfluous taxes. From what I understand, use 20 somethings won't see any benefit from stuff like the social security tax.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2006, 08:21:27 PM »
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These anti-tax people are morons.  Taxes pay for essential services, which if we were lacking, this country would be a shith*le more akin to a rinkydink nation in Africa or South America.

Even the socialist republics of west Europe pay about the same in taxes and get much higher rated standard of living, along with non-sucky public transportation and universal health care.  Their equivalents to Social Security also aren't 10 years from imploding.

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Like being able to drive on an actual road?  Taxes paid for it.

Not the income tax; The movie's focus is solely on the income tax.

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Like the fact that if your house catches fire or your child falls in the pool, the fire department shows up?

City taxes, sometimes state taxes in some states.  Nothing coming in from the income tax.

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Like the fact that you have a free education?

Local property taxes.  Some federal handouts here and there, but hardly enough to starve education if it was removed.  Not that Napolitano and the AZ Senate haven't driven the last nail into its coffin in this state.

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Your streets are patrolled by police, the military stands guard over our country, welfare is in place to support those who have fallen on hard times, etc.

Police dept's are funded by cities.  The military's funding almost directly correlates with corporate taxes.  Welfare is surprisingly cheap to fund, and would be easily covered by the states or some other federal sales tax, which some do take partial responsibility.

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These people need to look at the US Constitution.


They did, and found that the 16th amendment didn't cover a direct tax on wages, just profits and stock earnings.  The search for the law defining the income tax as one on wages is a quest that forms the plot of the film.  Alas, constitutional ambiguity strikes again.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2006, 08:30:55 PM »
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I understand the need for reasonable taxes, not excessive or superfluous taxes. From what I understand, use 20 somethings won't see any benefit from stuff like the social security tax.


Indeed, and I'm hoping the Prez will hurry along and get congress to write an Act to allow the diversion of SS taxes into individually held market funds before the Dems take congress.  I've been waiting for at least some SS privatization action since '00.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2006, 08:58:08 PM »
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data.  Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts"

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I will go see the movie.
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2006, 10:01:37 PM »
The people of America need to vote how they feel on a topic not on their political party preference. only  50% of peple old enough to vote voted in 2004 and less than 20% of that 50% actually voted.
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