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WOODLAND DIES
« on: February 02, 2007, 07:13:23 PM »
well this is the strait talk right from the mouth of staff SGT. rick lakely of the U.S. Army, Ft. lewis WA. ( edited cause i am a dumbass)



as of oct. 1st 2006 no woodland gear will be issued to any troops in the ARMY.

as of oct. 1st 2007 NOONE in service will wear woodland BDU's



woodland will be extinct soon.
will we let it die here in the airsoft world too, or will it still be a valueable tool.


things to consider.

future availability of woodland gear.
will new products be made in woodland in the future.


i say no to both of the above.


discuss
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 07:19:36 PM »
Unless everyone wearing woodland BDUs has an extra $70 and the urge to get a new pattern you're going to see the woodland pattern for a long time.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 09:15:15 PM »
I would say the availability of new gear in woodland would be the only issue.  Afterall, any quality gear or surplus still exisiting will take time to break down or become unservicable.  That may actually make it's price lower given that people who pay large overheads to house all the gear they are selling will be willing to cut more and more deals to move out that lot and get in whatever new pattern their selling.

Those who make the gear make the gear with a primary market of Department of Defense personnel, without them using woodland then it's likely to be straight ACU MARPAT stuff.  But, isn't the AF still using it?  I don't pay them much attention and it has been awhile since I heard anything about their uniform.  Last I heard about AF was that they were looking into what direction to go next?  Did the Navy pick up MARPAT or just their "sister" service the Marines?


Not to bust your balls.
The end date for use of woodland camo in the Army and Marines was set long ago when they first started issue of the ACU/MARPAT designs.  Whenever a branch decides to replace old with new they give it time so that all current members can spend their clothing allowance and replace into new gear while steadily giving the new gear as standard issue.  But they put the memo out early letting people know years in advance when the last date of wear will be on any given item.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 09:24:40 PM »
Navy is coming out with a new "work uniform" that looks similar to that of our ACUs.  There's some articles about it posted around the base here.

Right now though, the AF seems to be staying with BDUs as their standard duty day uniform.  We see them march around in a gaggle fuck all the time in 'em.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 09:27:30 PM »
The fact that it is gone just makes it even cooler. And like djmtott said, I'm not in any hurry to shell out 70+ dollars just to look authentic.  I don't want to look authentic. Soon it will be considered "nostalgic", but we should take care, as woodland camo is becoming increasingly popular in "Gangsta" fashion.  Woodland camo is a good patter if you ask me, and it looks kinda paramilitary, and I like that.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 10:41:54 PM »
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Did the Navy pick up MARPAT.....?


Before I left the Navy they had several different test uniforms out there to replace the working uniform. They were all blue/white digital patterns, but the different uniforms had different pockets, cuts, and other details. The idea was to test everything out, get feedback, and come up with a new uniform that incorporated the best features from all of the test uniforms.

Of course the blue/white pattern wouldn't be used in off-ship tactical situations (you'd stick out like a turd in a punchbowl), but the Navy wants a more modern and easier to upkeep uniform.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 11:02:00 PM »
There are other users of woodland camo as well.  On occasion you will see swat teams wearing it.  Especially in jurisdictions that are more heavily wooded.  Maybe in a few years you might see it get more scarce, but I'm sure there is a quite a stock pile of it sitting around.  As long as the civilian market keeps buying it, they'll keep making it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 01:32:23 PM »
Last I saw, the navy was looking into blue/grey/white digital uniforms.  Why, I don't know.  The only thing you're going to camo with is the ocean, and if I'm a sailor floating in the ocean, I want to be wearing a bright yellow big-bird outfit so I'm easy to see and thus easy to recover.  I think they're just trying to be fashionable and keep up with the other branches.

The Air Force is going for a digital tiger stripe uniform using the ACU colors.  I wonder how it'll work for camo purposes, might be kinda cool.

For now though, the Navy and the Air Force are still using woodland.  Probably will for a few more years.

Here's another question.  What about DCUs?  If woodland is going to die, chances are DCUs will be right with them.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 04:41:36 PM »
^They'll live on, probably as hand me downs to the Iraqi military.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 04:53:27 PM »
The Air Force is also coming out with a Digital design
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 06:07:18 PM »
Quote from: "Ghostsequel"
Last I saw, the navy was looking into blue/grey/white digital uniforms.  Why, I don't know.  The only thing you're going to camo with is the ocean...

Quote from: "djmtott"
Of course the blue/white pattern wouldn't be used in off-ship tactical situations (you'd stick out like a turd in a punchbowl), but the Navy wants a more modern and easier to upkeep uniform.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2007, 11:16:32 PM »
Obviously.  But why/how do the patterns they're looking at fit that bill?
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 02:40:24 AM »
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Obviously.  But why/how do the patterns they're looking at fit that bill?
Because they wanted a new easier to upkeep uniform, wash and wear basically, The uniforms they have now are pricey to keep up and not very functional. For instance, the 'dungaree' uniform has breast pockets that regs say you can't put anything in. The pants are like business slacks and just don't work well as a working uniform. That's why when they started the project they had five or six variations of the uniform. Everything from the same cut and pocket locations from the old BDUs, all the way up to the same features as the ACU. They're going to take the best features and come up with one standard uniform.

As far as the pattern, I think they want to stay inline with the rest of the services and go to a digital print. The digital print hides stains, dirt, and other blemishes real well compared to the present uniforms. The blue pattern adheres to the blue Navy tradition, and they don't need to worry about having a real tactical pattern.

And lastly, the uniform will replace at least three uniforms that I can think of for both officers and enlisted. It will remove the need for dungarees, winter working blues and summer working whites for enlisted, and khakis and both season working uniforms for officers. If they plan to get rid of uniform coveralls then add a fourth to that.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 12:13:07 PM »
I just got out of the navy like 15 days ago. The new uniforms are because of the sailors complaining about how crappy are unifroms are. The colors were picked because the matched the colors used on a ship so if you get paint or grease on them then you don't have to buy a new set. it will blen in better.
Our everyday working uniform is coveralls. At $50 a set you dont want to replace them often. With camie'syou can replace only one piece of the set and it becomes more cost efficent for the lower ranked sailors.

the new camo uniforms only replace coveralls and utilities (formerly dungarees). the have a new working uniform to replace the working blues and whites.
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