TBB or not?

[Farslayer]

There have been a lot of discussions on many an occasion about tight bore barrels.  

I am considering purchasing one from Dee's custom barrels for my CAR-15:

http://www.deescustoms.com/prod_custom-barrels.html

Do TBB's have a high incidence fo jamming?  Should I op for the 6.03 instead of the 6.01?

I'm trying to increase my gun's performance without cracking the gear box, even though I am entertaining the idea of a 110 spring exchange.  I don't want to have to worry about stripping pistons, gears and cracking gear boxes.  I've been down that road before.

Thanks..

[Raith]

I've never heard of Dee's Custom Barrels.  Though that in itself doesn't mean they're bad, what makes you want to go with one of those over a more well known brand like Systema, KM, or Prometheus?

My experience has been good with tightbore barrels.  I used to own a Systema and now have two Prometheus tightbore barrels.

Honestly, I've had one jam, ever.  When I installed the Madbull Shark Hop Up and cranked it "on" all the way, it caused a jam in one of my CA CQBs.  I suspect that the fact that I've used only Excel (Which I've heard are smaller than most, but I have nothing but heresay to go on.) and Marui BBs contribute to that fact.

[IcePlatinumSky]

Never used madbull with the shark how are those by the way.

[mini-support]

These are the folks that built the tightbores that are in my m134. Nice steel barrels, good stuff.

The tightbore was one of the best upgrades for the buck I added to my m4.

[KOBO]

You will just have to be carefull with bbs. I never had a problem with excel with my AEG, but when using the JT bbs I have had alot of problems, even with the AEG with a standard barrel.

Just use good BBs that are consistant in size.

[RangerBob]

The only issue(that I know of) with a tightbore barrel is that it lowers your margin for error...That margin being filled with things like dust and other debris getting in the barrel as well as inferior bb's with mishapen bodies(Do bb's have bodies?). It just puts less space between the barrel and the bb so a small bit of something that would normally pass may cause a jam.

So in the end, keep the barrel up and muck free and use quality bb's(Which since you're a more senior member of AA I believe you probably already do) and you really shouldn't ever have an issue.  Unless something was messed up in the installation process.

[azsarge]

JT BBs blow cock.  I wouldn't cross the street to piss on Infinity if they were on fire.

Now, let me ask you why you'd want a barrel that is one one-hundredth of a millimeter bigger than the BB it fires.  

6.04 or 6.03 is tight enough.

Airsoft gun Barrels are like women.  Tight is good, but too tight and it just isn't fun for anyone.

Anyone ever hit up an Excel or Marui BB with a micrometer anyway?

[Farslayer]

I'm trying to increase my gun's performance without taking apart the gear box.  I have heard of these barrels before, and they claim to increase both accuracy and FPS.  Their price is also better.  Those are the two main reasons I'm considering them.  I realize that one-hundreth of a millimeter is a fraction of difference, but I thought the hop up interface may have also been better.

Thanks for the input.  Does anyone besides Support have actually experience with these barrels?

[XavierMace]

I am ordering one of their barrels soon for my M700 AICS.  I have heard nothing but good about Dee's barrels, especially from the other bolt action guys.

[Farslayer]

I origianlly heard about his barrels when I used to snipe.  They definately have an application in that arena if they are as good as people claim.

[Green4Ever]

I have a 650mm Black Python Mad Bull 6.03 tightbore in my ca-25 and it seems to work wonders,(I still need to get and install the shark/fisbone) with quaility bbs I'm on target each and every time for the most part. I would say yes for TBB

[XavierMace]

Yeah, it partly depends on what you are using the gun for.  With a shorter gun like that, the assumption would be you aren't using it as a DMR and therefore the need for a tighter tightbore is lower.  For bolt sniper rifles such as the M700/M24 you are looking for every last bit of accuracy you can get.  The 6.01 barrel's will be VERY picky on ammo (AE's will probably cause a problem) so unless you are prepared to only get expensive, smaller BB's you should probably stick with a 6.03 or .04.

[Farslayer]

These are the folks that built the tightbores that are in my m134. Nice steel barrels, good stuff.

The tightbore was one of the best upgrades for the buck I added to my m4.

From DD:

There have been jams reported to me, and in all but one case it was due to the BBs being used, but there have been no more then the normal tight bore has, so not really a problem.  Lets put it this way, the company that makes those gas operated M134 miniguns (Piper's Precision Products, marketed by X-Caliber Tactical) uses our barrels in those and the new Strafer MK.4.  The minigun has a cyclic rate of 50 round per second, but since it has 6 barrels that is only about 9 rounds a second through each, not a great example.  The Strafer Mk.4 has one barrel, but has a cylic rate of 175 rounds per second, and that is all out of one barrel.  The one actual barrel jam was in one of those, took the barrel out, found the bur inside of it, repaired the barrel and it has been a demo gun for the last year with well over 100,000 fired through it.
Did that help?

Well, I'll try it out and let everyone know how it does.

[alex]

I literally just received a tightbore from Dees custom this morning. It's going into my AICS and ill come back with some results after I install it and get to test it. One note, make sure to clean the barrel thoroughly out of the packaging..there is some dust and debris in mine, but otherwise it is structurally perfect.

[Farslayer]

I have been getting several of these lately, and most of them are asking questions about ordering or some of the old rumors about not being able to use full auto in a tight bore, so I am starting this section to post the email addresses here and if anyone recognizes them to let the person know I am not ignoring them but simply cannot get back to them without another email to use.

Phil wrote in, asking about a rumor he heard that "it was not possible to use our barrels on full auto".
To help people understand this a little better, our barrels are used in the gas operated minigun and Strafer that X-Caliber Tactical is marketing for Piper's Precision Products, and with rates of fire as high as 175 rounds per second, so firing an AEG which may have as high as a 25 rps cyclic rate you are more then safe. We had one barrel with a jamming problem in the initial production run of Strafer Mk.4, this was a barrel problem and not an ammo problem, but once the barrel was replaced with a 6.01mm replacment there has not been a recurence of this jamming issue. Also, that barrel was jamming on an average of 1 out of 500 rounds, and was clearing itself to resume firing again, so the problem was simply traced to one of the machines used to make the barrel having applied excess pressure to the material of the barrel, resulting in a "crimped" effect inside the barrel. The machine was reset and cleaned to insure this would not happen again, and regular maintanence is performed on the machines to make sure this problem does not come up again.
Out of over 5000 barrels sold, there has been a total of 15 needing replaced, and the warranty we offer on all of our barrels covers this, which is unique in the industry as no other tight bore barrel I know of has a warranty such as this.

If anyone else has questions about the barrels, I will be starting a FAQ area of our forum for people to get the answers they are seeking.  
 
 

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