Airsoft Player

[tgriff]

There seems to be some type of issue playing with individuals that are minors and adults

Personally ive never had major proplems with either

Some of the younger kids need a chance to learn and asorb the game
and listen

but besides that what are the major proplems between the two?

[RangerBob]

Completely dead issue.
But since I've never given my two cents here it is, hopefully before a thread lock.
AA games are 18+ Marauders are not.  The organizer has the ability to make a range and it's there.
Pick your group and play with it.
The cross over can happen at the non Marauder and non AA specific games where a younger person has a chance to prove himself to the older crowd.  It just usually doesn't happen.

Older people don't normally enjoy associating with 13 year olds unless it's their kid or a family friends kid.  It's awkward honestly and there are a lot of adults who wouldn't like the idea of their 13-15 year old going and playing games in the woods with a 20+ crowd.  In society norms that just doesn't happen.

For the most part I don't feel like associating with younger kids not because of their immaturity or behavior...I can ignore people pretty well.. But by the fact if two adults have an issue it can be settled if an adult has an issue with a minor it can't, not without talking with the parents.  And by issue I mean any sort of legal claim or the person is just a fucking ass hat.

I fully understand that some kids may have a family military background or a high level of discipline and character...But I'm still not associating with minors simply because their minors.

And besides....I can do an adults sister but not a minor so there is no reason for me to know any of them :O  Giggidy giggidy giggidy....

[Ares]

you're beating a dead horse. theres a locked thread in here with everything ull ever need to hear.

[Dust2Dust]

[tgriff]

that had to do with gaining respect?

but then again

good point

[wtf_azn1]

plus liability reasons as some of the older guys have told me

if a minor gets hurt and a parent or gardian is not present then paramedics and the other players cant really administer medical treatment

[HavHav]

Paramedics, in that case, with a minor without a legal parent or gardian, have what is called Implied Consent, very similar to a DNR or other Living Will, it basically covers the Medics/EMT's to give all the treatment that person would need to overcome whatever injury they have. Others that fall under Implied Consent would be serious head injuries, drunks, diabetics, minors, and people with psych problems, because legally speaking, this person cannot make any legally bound statements or sign contracts, such as a contract of a Refusal of Treatment that one would sign if they declined medical treatment.

But I don't want to be held liable for shooting Little Johnny in the face because he charged me with a springer.

[-MAD- SARGE]

I wish that were true, that Implied Consent worked with dunks, if you know what I mean  

[tgriff]

i know what you mean that you dont want to be held responsible for hurting a minor in a game.

but if there playing with adults then there the ones that are taking the risk and if they dont want to get shot in face consider wearing a full face mask or wearing extra gear.

parents should know that their kids can get hurt out there and not just be getting shot but by maybe twisting their ankles or falling.

but the point is that AA has a good thing with just adults only and since marauders host open games (for the moment) and big scenario games witch kids enjoy and his covered with some ensurance.

also if kids on AA want respect then they should show some respect and they should see some in return.

[XavierMace]

The problem is, parents these days always find someone else to blame.  You would think it would be obvious the risks of airsofting, but that won't stop them from suing somebody when the kid gets hurt.  It doesn't matter if they are actually surprised and angered or are just looking to get rich quick.  That kind of incident still gives our sport a bad name.

While some minors might be mature enough for this sport, many are not.  Unless their has been a drastic change at Marauders games from last time I went, it just proves the point.  tgriff, you really don't have a point of reference to argue from as you have only seen one side of it since you aren't old enough to attend AA games.  Every older player I personally know (as in 18+) feels the same way about Marauders games as I do.  I am sorry, but that is just the way it is.  

Case in point, last Marauders game I went to there was a younger player crossing the opening of sniper field.  My brother, a friend of mine, along with myself were all behind one of the forward bunkers.  The player in question was not in any particular hurry nor making any effort to hide his movement.  His was literally strolling across the field.  All three of us took a few quick bursts at him.  We could see the BB's hit him, he even jumped.  It was obvious he wasn't expecting other players out there.  He proceeded to start running to the nearest hole for cover.  We continued to shoot at him (and hit him).  Yet he sits in the hole and starts to return fire.  This was a completely blatant violation of the rules.  He was hit (repeatedly), but apparently decided it didn't matter for one reason or the other.  So my brother and I laid down some cover fire while my friend charged the kid.  As soon as his head popped up, my friend sprayed the guy.  The kid raises his gun and starts returning fire.  My friend was no more than 15 feet from the kid.  He could hear the BB's bounce off him, yet nothing.  I think he was about ready to physically hit the kid.

I can feel the pain of the younger players who are actually mature and follow the rules.  However you are the exception not the rule and unfortunately the rest of your age group ruins it for you.  That might suck, but unfortunately that is the way it has to be.

[Cheeze_IZ_G00d]

Although I would agree with most of your point Xavier, you miss an important aspect in that we are ALL make up the overly litigious society. People in general file frivilous lawsuits frequently.

[XavierMace]

Right, by my point was having minor's present makes it all of the worse.  For example if kid manages to get on field with out a waiver, parents can say they didn't know.  The lawyers would have a field day with that.

[bopper9052]

I agree that we can be erogant and jerks even though im underage, i understand that we can be jerks because some of the kids I play are butt holes when they don't win and become sore losers.  I think that IF underage kids came to the game we should have to bring a writtin consent and meet with the organizer prior to the event and have both the kid and parent meet.  I know im still a minor but I can put my two cents in.  I hope I didn't offend anyone, and if i did sorry.

[RangerBob]

I wish that were true, that Implied Consent worked with dunks, if you know what I mean  

Woowooo, get em  

[GUNFIGHTER6]

How many more times is this same thread going to come up?  Its simple, if your under 18 go play with the marauders.  When you turn 18 you can go to an AA event.  Can we now put this issue to rest?