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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2008, 08:00:40 PM »
all i want to do is play with you guys
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2008, 09:55:56 PM »
That's fine. But kids have to understand. This hobby was created by and for adults, not children.  In my opinion it would be similar to allowing kids to hold a 3-gun match, on their own, with real steal and wondering why the outcome was what it was.

Like at any shooting event I don't mind if a responsible adult attends the child.  That is good.  But if a mentor does not escort you then don't shot with me.  That goes for airsoft too.  

Then, even though you may have a parent/mentor available which may allow you to attend some games, most adults would not prefer to spend time with kids in this atmosphere. I don't go to the beach so I can swim in the kiddy pool.  This is the reason for most games age limits ranging from 16 to 18 years of age. For those games that you qualify for and are held by responsible adults, I don’t mind.   Many adults will most likely not attend, except for those running the event.  

How many times do we have to go over this, it has been discussed at length ever year.  Secondly, this thread is about legality, not about what I want. There is a whole seperate thread on "What I want", which is all that children seem to complain about. But this will never change.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2008, 11:17:05 PM »
Wow.... what a great thread....  I forgot I wrote this.

I hope to crap I don't sound like that when I'm talking....
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2008, 12:06:16 AM »
LOL

when me of age i hope to plays with you guys too!

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2008, 07:34:50 AM »
Unfortunately, the insurance companies know this as well. I'm sure
a underwriting policy on a large event has at LEAST a million dollar
umbrella. Now if a liability release was valid, why would this be you
ask? I'll quote my father who's been a insurance safety
engineer/underwriter for 40 yrs, "you cannot sign away your rights."
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2008, 05:03:16 PM »
yeah.... the resident lawyer already made that point ..... and you CAN sign away YOUR rights, just not your kids' rights....
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2008, 09:13:23 PM »
I wish i could construe this better on the Airsoft Nebraska forums, some people are diehard fan of Liability Waivers being the say all end all of problems.  Ironically the only people who think that are the younger crowd.  Luckily we have an Omaha Police Officer onboard who definetly put alot of legal things to rest.  

I've always stated that no matter how bullet proof a waiver is it can still be torn apart by a very determined lawyer.  The only way to make sure that stuff like this wont happen is to only approve mature people to play and generally speaking these people tend to be over the age of 20.  I'll admit I'm not the most mature person in the world but when it comes to legal stuff I get very very serious because it has serious reprecussions for the people involved.

Good read Doc good read!
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2008, 09:42:17 PM »
Great post.  I appreciate you putting it all together so that we can point the minors to a thread that sums it up.  

If it's possible to send this as link to all the (active) minors, it might help squash some of the bickering going on.

Whooo-aahhhhh!
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2008, 06:45:25 AM »
Good post Doc~!!!
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2008, 03:08:19 PM »
Very insightful, Doc. Thanks for the heads-up.
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2008, 06:17:25 PM »
So you guys are saying that minors under 18 cannot play unless the game rules say they can? Because im 13(ignore the 27 down there lol), and i wouldnt mind playing some matches with you guys. I love airsoft, even though i have crappy guns, for my birthday i freakin had an airsoft war with my friends. I would be really disappointed if i couldnt come out with you guys, making me wait 5 years to join the awesomeness. So, can you guys approve to me that even if im 13, with the waiver on this site and a parent i can still play?
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2008, 06:28:34 PM »
Quote from: "Corporal209"
So you guys are saying that minors under 18 cannot play unless the game rules say they can? Because im 13(ignore the 27 down there lol), and i wouldnt mind playing some matches with you guys. I love airsoft, even though i have crappy guns, for my birthday i freakin had an airsoft war with my friends. I would be really disappointed if i couldnt come out with you guys, making me wait 5 years to join the awesomeness. So, can you guys approve to me that even if im 13, with the waiver on this site and a parent i can still play?


The games that are ran using AA rules requires you to be 18. There are some people who organize games who have diffrent rules, some allow minors to play.

Also, why do you have a false age under your profile?
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2008, 06:39:16 PM »
Because of my parents lol, they dont watch me on the computer, they just ask that i say im an adult. I think that they think if i dont im gonna get raped lol.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2008, 11:07:52 PM »
its just too bad that some people are so sue happy, everyones looking to make a quick buck, or lawsuits wouldnt be such a problem for people who run games and fields with good permits and waivers

its really putting a vice grip on airsoft and paintball alike, up here in washington i have seen some of my favorite fields and dozens of other fields go down for stupid things because people would just rather not deal with the several thousands of dollars in permits
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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2008, 01:36:23 AM »
excellent post everyone-you too Doc =D
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