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Launch of DesertHawks.org
« on: December 06, 2007, 06:28:38 PM »
Greetings all,
It is with great pleasure that I announce the launch of deserthawks.org the new website for the Desert Hawks airsoft team.  

Many thanks go out to the Desert Hawks team members who created all the material that went into this site as well as Tonk and the rest of AMSOG for their support and their example as a template for us to work from.

It is with the launch of this site that the Desert Hawks add a little more structure to the way we play airsoft and get into 'character' with the Milsim aspect of the sport.  Combat Challenge and our relationship with AMSOG have shown us one of the aspects to playing airsoft that we had not deeply explored before was to orchestrate our tactics as a team and it is with this reorganization that we hope to continue to do just that.

Material on the site is baseline now but will continue to evolve as articles and changes come in, but for now enjoy what we have so far and thank you for looking.

http://deserthawks.org
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 06:52:12 PM »
A cool website for cool guys.

Very appropriate.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 11:03:13 PM »
Cool stuff.  Congrats on the site, it looks very professional.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 09:46:08 AM »
I like what you guys got brewing..... you should use a large velcro chevron that would attach to the right sleeve pocket of your uniform for your ranking structure, and use your unit patch on the left side. it would look very neat and pro without looking posserific, and that way know one can say your wearing rank you haven't earned. That and I think it would look cool.

I think Mark has/had something like that on his ACU's. ask him wear he got it made.

Maybe since your wearing MARPAT you could incoporate your unit crest under the the chevron of your NCO's just don't do the cross rifles,

Also since your looking at mimicing Marines and SAS I would set up your rank structure PVT, Lance Corporal, then Corporal, ect..... the rank of Lance Corporal is a Royal Marine and U.S. Marine tradtion. For the Brits  dating back into the dark ages.

So far though you guys look like your doing the kick ass thing orginzation is the key!
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 11:38:33 AM »
trust me as i know (because i designed most of the "rank and team structure") my self allot of thought was put into how and why things where done the way they where done. the army's rank title where used because they are more generic then that of marines there for less chance we could be called "mimics". we are not trying to mimic other organizations just trying to keep a steady sense of military bearing.  as for the patches our unit patch already goes on our left shoulder as is common with many military groups in current and past history. as far as the rank and not wearing what "i haven't earned" its a game and meant as such. there is no Direct legal publication that states i may not wear a military rank insignia on my uniform.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 12:23:20 PM »
Quote from: "CipherBlue"
trust me as i know (because i designed most of the "rank and team structure") my self allot of thought was put into how and why things where done the way they where done. the army's rank title where used because they are more generic then that of marines there for less chance we could be called "mimics". we are not trying to mimic other organizations just trying to keep a steady sense of military bearing.  as for the patches our unit patch already goes on our left shoulder as is common with many military groups in current and past history. as far as the rank and not wearing what "i haven't earned" its a game and meant as such. there is no Direct legal publication that states i may not wear a military rank insignia on my uniform.


From the way I understood it, I don't think Cpl. Keenan said you couldn't wear rank.  I think he offered some very reasonable methods for using rank and unit patches while at the same time not causing any confusion between you guys and the real military.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 12:27:32 PM »
oh i did not mean any disrespect of any kind. i was simply explaining my thought patterns that all no offense.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 03:22:07 PM »
I like the name. :D
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 07:57:36 PM »
wow sorry to give some positive input.

Your website says that your basing your teams of SAS and the Marine Corps. I just figured you'd rather roll with the LCPL rank instead of PFC. The reason I said you should put it on your sleave, beside the fact that won't be mistaken for anything other then airsoft, and the fact that it would look cool on the sleeve pocket and be easy to identify, since the only time you can see chevrons on a uniform is when your not wearing your battle-rattle.

As far as wearing the wear of real military uniforms and Federal laws concerning the wear of the United States Military uniforms by people not on active duty are published in the United States Code (USC).

Specifically, 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 and 772.

Section 771 states:

Except as otherwise provided by law, no person except a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, as the case may be, may wear -

(1) the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform, of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps; or

(2) a uniform any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps

Section 772 lists some exceptions:

(a) A member of the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard may wear the uniform prescribed for the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard, as the case may be.

(b) A member of the Naval Militia may wear the uniform prescribed for the Naval Militia.

(c) A retired officer of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title and wear the uniform of his retired grade.

(d) A person who is discharged honorably or under honorable conditions from the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may wear his uniform while going from the place of discharge to his home, within three months after his discharge.

(e) A person not on active duty who served honorably in time of war in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title, and, when authorized by regulations prescribed by the President, wear the uniform, of the highest grade held by him during that war.

(f) While portraying a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion-picture production may wear the uniform of that armed force if the portrayal does not tend to discredit that armed force.

(g) An officer or resident of a veterans' home administered by the Department of Veterans Affairs may wear such uniform as the Secretary of the military department concerned may prescribe.

(h) While attending a course of military instruction conducted by the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, a civilian may wear the uniform prescribed by that armed force if the wear of such uniform is specifically authorized under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of the military department concerned.

(i) Under such regulations as the Secretary of the Air Force may prescribe, a citizen of a foreign country who graduates from an Air Force school may wear the appropriate aviation badges of the Air Force.

And trust me there's a whole bunch more, the Army 670-1:

In accordance with chapter 45, section 771, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 771), no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform of the U.S. Army unless otherwise authorized by law. Additionally, no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear a uniform, any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the U.S. Army uniform. This includes the distinctive uniforms and uniform items listed in paragraph 1–12 of this regulation. Paragraph 1–12 goes on to define "Distinctive uniforms and uniform items.

I don't feel like digging through my 670-1 to list those items. plus my 670-1 is a year out of date, so i'd want to give you the up to date rules and reg's.

The only reason I brought up the whole thing was so you'd know why I made some small suggestions. As well as my statements made in the other thread about civilians wearing a Military uniform.

I doubt anybody would ever try to lock you up for playing airsoft, I'm just letting you know there are laws about wearing a military uniform.

But back to what I said you guys got a good thing going i hope to see you on the field! If only I can get some time of work.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 11:58:19 PM »
no need to take it personally like i said i was just giving an explanation thats all. LoL trust me i know the law all to well.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2007, 07:27:20 PM »
Oh I'm not taking it personally at all. I thought you were taking my friendly suggestions out of context. I was just pointing out that there are laws reguarding civilian's wearing military uniforms.

Maybe I've been spending to much time with my retarted JROTC kids that try to buy and wear bronze stars to school on their Class B uniforms at school! not to mention, the wonderful uniform hybrids, DCU's/black boots, JROTC issued BDU's with 101st combat patches!? hunting camo with name tapes and rank! ugh.........

I hold proper wear of the U.S. Armed Forces uniforms very near to my heart, I've lost alot of friends wearing that uniform and it feels like we're pissing on those hero's graves when I see people disrespect it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 11:06:12 PM »
Anyway, looks like a cool website, you guys did good.  Relax.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2007, 12:06:20 PM »
Thanks for all the kind words and feedback, we appreciate it!

Malicious_Ind, don't worry about Cipher he just comes across as gruff sometimes on the internet, after speaking with him on this matter specifically he really does appreciate feedback of any kind he could just have chosen his post composition a little better.


Thanks again all!
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 06:05:34 PM »
I'm not hurting, Its good to see some form of team's being built. Maybe this can take to the state to the next level...... Maybe someday we can all go to an op broken down as platoon's by teams..... show the rest of the country how AZ puts it down.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 06:38:33 PM »
Quote from: "Malicious Ind"
I'm not hurting, Its good to see some form of team's being built. Maybe this can take to the state to the next level...... Maybe someday we can all go to an op broken down as platoon's by teams..... show the rest of the country how AZ puts it down.


+1!

We sure are trying!  We have most of the team poised to take to Red Dagger as a single unit as soon as factions are announced and enlistment opened.
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