U.A.R.C.

[Nil8r]

This will hopefully make things easy to understand:
1.) Set up the U.A.R.C.
2.) Get groups to follow the same rules/regulations set forth by the committee attending the meetings.
3.) Be diligent in your efforts, and grow the U.A.R.C. into a viable voice for part of the airsofting community.
4.) The majority of Airsoft Arizona won't be attending the meetings, as there is already an established rule set that has been followed for a while now that closely resembles the larger game rules that we attend across the nation.
5.) Things will essentially stay the same and the world keeps on a'spinnin.

You can never expect everyone to follow your lead, but that doesn't make it a reason not to try it.

[Exarach]

Well said!

[Bucket]

This will hopefully make things easy to understand:
1.) Set up the U.A.R.C.
2.) Get groups to follow the same rules/regulations set forth by the committee attending the meetings.
3.) Be diligent in your efforts, and grow the U.A.R.C. into a viable voice for part of the airsofting community.
4.) The majority of Airsoft Arizona won't be attending the meetings, as there is already an established rule set that has been followed for a while now that closely resembles the larger game rules that we attend across the nation.
5.) Things will essentially stay the same and the world keeps on a'spinnin.

You can never expect everyone to follow your lead, but that doesn't make it a reason not to try it.

Thank you Ron,
The offer was placed out and those who wish to attend when this takes place please do so, otherwise thank you for your comments. They have actually given a new light to the ways of some airsofters, not all as a whole.

[CipherBlue]

i will admit this is a little off subject to the original post but i feel it has gone astray already anyways nothing i do will change that.

Well i really should keep my mouth shut but screw it if I didn't it would just not be me. First off i would like to think this was no one persons sport, it is all of our sport and no ones. As for leaving Airsoft out of politics well my friends

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=87512
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=87512
http://wcco.com/crime/bus.pellet.gun.2.671424.html
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/UPDATES/80306036
http://www.highspringsherald.com/articles/2008/02/29/news/news01.txt
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/16224622.html
http://www.helenair.com/articles/2008/02/05/local/105lo_080205_assault.txt
http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/gun_2589___article.html/guns_real.html
http://cbs13.com/local/pokemon.cards.stolen.2.647306.html
http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/15600432.html

Airsoft is already in politics every where and it gets worse by they day those are just a few of the articles you can find all over the internet about issues with airsoft and hell that’s just within the last month or so.  If you want to keep this sport you better get into the Politics of airsoft before some over zealous politician does and scopes the whole thing out from under you before you even know what happening. its coming my friends be prepared.

i am not saying i DO agree with the ideal of U.A.R.C. or DO NOT agree with it. i like choices and variety and strongly agree that every one have the right to them i dare not start a monarchy in any thing. i simply agree with the awareness of the players to the support of the politics. i don't want to lose this sport and it will be the ignorance of the players that wish to ignore just that if we do.

[**INFIDEL**]

Thats why these places are here, to hash these things over and get alittle smarter. Be aware of ones surroundings

[CipherBlue]

Thats why these places are here, to hash these things over and get alittle smarter. Be aware of ones surroundings

ah yet it was you who said to leave the politics out of "your sport". i was mostly refuring to the fact that it will be someone who is not here who does not injoy our sport that will be its down fall.

[krash]

the thing is that cops shoot any one or thing that scares them
it could be a airsoft gun, bb gun, or even a phone
some cops lack training have never been in a gun fight and don't do any but react to stress, just like politicians and laws, does that mean they are right? NO

move too fast might get you shot. move too slow might get you shot, don't move at all, gets you shot.........now tazed, sure they are just doing their job but lines get crossed all the time

don't go after an entrie sport due to the 1 or 2 ot 10 idiots out there, we have not bannded cars or alcohol, they do more damage and kill more peopel than airsoft ever will

[KOBO]

Cops are the easy part...

STOP PLAYING WITHIN OR NEAR CITY LIMITS JACKASSES!

If you don't play in or near city limit then obviously this is not directed towards you

[krash]

yeah what he said, that's almost funny except for the dumshits that do it and bring heat down on all of us, but I like your wording couldn't be more clear than that.

[Doc Hollywood]

so worth restating ......

Cops are the easy part...

STOP PLAYING WITHIN OR NEAR CITY LIMITS JACKASSES!

If you don't play in or near city limit then obviously this is not directed towards you

Well said.

[**INFIDEL**]

Thats why these places are here, to hash these things over and get alittle smarter. Be aware of ones surroundings

ah yet it was you who said to leave the politics out of "your sport". i was mostly refuring to the fact that it will be someone who is not here who does not injoy our sport that will be its down fall.

That was'nt the best choice of words, It would appear, Its not my sport Its our sport ,and this Is the words I should of used, In hind sight.  And I hope your wrong, but you maybe right I just don't ,hear or feel any threats, unless you know something I don't. A few idiots playing behind Walmart or what ever, Is not going to kill the sport, If it does, It'll take more than alittle organizing to keep It alive. I like this game to, but at the same time  we can't go around chasing shadows, I can think of alot of "What Ifs" Like I got all this reloading Eq What If I can't get primers anymore. I'm gunna have to look Into the NRA and see If they know anything about AirSoft, If anybody needs to be informed Its them, If a real threat developes. If I were a public official and bothered to read and look into These brats, say like the Pokey Man Card Bandit I would think why should I ban, or make very hard to get a toy{ AirSoft Gun} that can't seriously hurt anyone, and the only other option { For the same kid } would be real steel. From a realistic stand I would rather have them doing this crap with fake guns than real ones.  So now the cops start crying about " Oh they Look So Real " well its a tuff job, deal with it. My job's not easy either, I can die just as fast as they can and I probably won't even make It on the front page of the paper.

[FYREGOD]

I think things work fine now.

If it were up to me, there would be no minors allowed. They really aren't the future of airsoft. It would be one thing if the median age of AAers was like, 50, but, it's not. It's more like 23-25.

You mean to tell me that 6 years constitutes a generation gap?

This seems like a solution to a problem that does not exist.

Minors aren't the future of airsoft?!?
Let me put it this way. If a 15 year old wants to join an airsoft org and must wait to do so, don't you think you'll be airsofting 3 years from now when they become of age or do you plan to quit in the near future? That same minor would have a say in ALL decisions made within your team and could likely have some level of authority within the airsoft community within 5 years and will remember how you treated them which could reflect on how much you enjoy your airsoft games.
Teens may not currently have much influence over airsoft today, but they are definitely the future.

In the meantime, they would benefit from being safety minded with rules generated by people who have been airsofting for some time and have seen (first-hand) what can happen when certain rules aren't applied. This support structure could help to keep them off the streets. To me, airsoft was an immediate addiction, drugs can take a few tries. This could lead to them not growing into psychopaths that may someday harm a member of your family. I've seen first-hand what drugs can do to someone who has little or no respect for their fellow human being. Everyone always wants to blame the parents for bad kids. I've always blamed society as well as the parents. They may not be our children but there are things we can do to help them along the right path.  Any form of mentoring, such as airsoft,can help them as the Big Brother program does.
I was an unruly child with bad upbringings and having an organization (Boys and Girls Club of America) helped to set me straight by keeping me of the streets and playing some sports. I think airsoft having a more positive outlook to the general public couldn't be a bad thing. When was the last ime you read anything in the media that was positive about airsoft? Now how many times have you heard the opposite?
We can't stop children from hurting each other in their backyards or people from using airsoft weapons to commit robbery or mock drive-by shootings, so maybe we can do something positive as a large scale group to cancel out it's negative appearance to the general public. There are many things a joint volunteer organization of airsofters such as UARC can do to make things more fun for ALL who participate in our sport.

[FYREGOD]

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[FYREGOD]

First of all, can we at least try to sound like responsible adults on this thread? There are so many profanities being tossed around in here that it sounds like a high school playground.
I don't see where the topic of the participation of minors in airsoft is "off topic", in fact the sheer volume of threads debating this topic is proof it is a major concern for the airsoft community. This is but only one objective that would be addressed at the UARC convention. If rules were set that would protect players from liability, then everyone could enjoy airsoft. The only people that would be discriminated against would be ALL dishonorable people whether minor or adult.
Regarding the "loss" of freedoms comments... I apparently haven't gotten this point across too well. This organization would be comprised SOLELY of volunteers meaning if you don't like the rules, don't attend their games or meetings. Bucket isn't looking to create laws governing all airsofters nationwide, but a set of rules to protect everyone involved and not just the adults that believe all minors are immature. In my opinion, most of the UARC safety guidelines would be the same as we see within our current airsoft organizations today so there wouldn't be major changes, just a few additions or slight modifications that would help ensure everyone is as protected (legally) as they can be. This way we can stop segregating the minors and be comfortable with them in the field so long as they compete honorably.
My organization (OKA) requires the participant's parent to sign a waiver and have it notarized as proof of the parent's awareness that their child attends our events at their own risk and that they and their child understand the rules we've created. This applies to all minors attending a combat event even if they are strictly spectators from the "safety" of the Demilitarized Zone.
The UARC would be a democratic organization and as such you have the CHOICE as whether you join or not and you also have a choice as to which rules become set permanently.
I may not agree with TAC's recent decision to require all minors to wear full face protection (especially during our summers), but I certainly understand why they chose to require it. I just believe there is another way to address the issue concerning minors without nearly suffocating them or exposing them to heat related problems. If you're going to require one person to wear full face protection, then shouldn't everyone need to???
Parents are not the only people who can sue you... the adults you compete with can sue you just as easily. Any waiver signed by parents of minors would protect you every bit as much as those signed by your fellow adult player.

[corporalred]

I too don't like the idea of having underaged players at an AA game. From what I have seen, they are the ones liable to not follow rules or call hits. I'm 23 and I am not saying I act responsible all of the time, I am just saying responsibility comes with age and experience.

Why do you have to wait till you are 18 to smoke? How come its 21 to drink or to gamble? The laws state that is a good responsible age, just like AA and their choice to make 18 the minimum age to attend games.

sorry if this stirs anything up,