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Offline Vince

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 02:02:13 PM »
If you were to have kept reading, you'd see that I did.

Thanks for proving my point.
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 02:06:52 PM »
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I think things work fine now.

If it were up to me, there would be no minors allowed. They really aren't the future of airsoft. It would be one thing if the median age of AAers was like, 50, but, it's not. It's more like 23-25.

You mean to tell me that 6 years constitutes a generation gap?

This seems like a solution to a problem that does not exist.


How was that proving you point? That explains nothing to me. Yes, there are some people between 23-25 BUT (thats the key word) there are people 40+ correct? Even you 23-25ers cant do this forever and if you dont allow minors to play well i can see organized airsoft dying out with you
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 02:13:02 PM »
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Please explain how minors are not the future of airsoft?

The majority of the games that are hosted do not rely on the youth turn out. The games usually attract new members that are adults thus not relying on minors.

I see a lot of groups already using similar rules, even with national ops. Of course each individual group will change some rules but I do not believe that is necessary a bad thing, it fits the needs of that group.

I do not believe law enforcement has a problem with airsoft, but with individuals. A friend of mine who is a police officer tells me about all the calls they get regarding airsoft AEGs. In most cases it is just some irresponsible kids playing with the AEGs in the neighborhood. Granted, that reflects on the airsoft community but it is not a problem with our rule sets that we use playing under legal conditions, it is a problem with irresponsible kids and adults.
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 02:16:34 PM »
Hence, 'median', as in the middle or an average. While there are some older folks, there are also some younger folks.

I think that any sort of unified ruleset is a bad idea because it removes individual freedom. I think the concentration of power in too large a base is a bad thing (vote Ron Paul), in airsoft, or otherwise. You look at organizations like CAOC, and the only people who support them are the people in charge (who, are, not all that respected, incidentally, Kiley; check lonestarairsoft.com), or people too new to know better.

There will always be an influx of new people of the age of majority to take up the mantle of this organization. This organization, constituted of people, who are, by and large, some of the highest quality airsofters in this country, and the world. The foundation of Airsoft Arizona, is it's constituency, many members of which I have come to call 'friend'.

As it has been since time immemorial (or at least 2001), and so shall it ever be, an 18+ organization without end.

Amen.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 02:18:40 PM »
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Please explain how minors are not the future of airsoft?
The majority of the games that are hosted do not rely on the youth turn out. The games usually attract new members that are adults thus not relying on minors...


Thank you. That is all i was wanting to know. I didnt want some smarta** answer. Me, being a little new to organized airsofting have never attended a big op. But i feel that it is not right not exclude the minors. All we responsible minors want to do it have some fun. For those of us that dont walk out into the street shooting whatever, we would like the Mil-Sim. Maybe thats just me but i think minors should be included...
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 02:25:40 PM »
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Hence, 'median', as in the middle or an average. While there are some older folks, there are also some younger folks.

I think that any sort of unified ruleset is a bad idea because it removes individual freedom....


Removes individual freedom? This coming for somebody who is supporting 18+ only rules? Is it not one of my freedoms to go airsofting with an org? Was the PROMISE of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not guaranteed to minors? Im not to sure if its just me or not but being able to go do some mil-sim with a large group is pretty fun to me...
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 02:30:07 PM »
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Removes individual freedom? This coming for somebody who is supporting 18+ only rules? Is it not one of my freedoms to go airsofting with an org? Was the PROMISE of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not guaranteed to minors? Im not to sure if its just me or not but being able to go do some mil-sim with a large group is pretty fun to me...


Yes, the individual freedom to conduct games in the manner in wish you'd like to conduct them.

Do you even know why minors aren't allowed at AA games?

Legalities.

You aren't in charge of yourself, your parents are in charge of and responsible for you.

We don't need that kind of bullshit at AA games.

If you want to play at an AA game, age faster. No amount of unification is going to change that.

We're draggin this topic off course, if you'd like to continue this discussion, PM me.
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 02:31:46 PM »
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Hence, 'median', as in the middle or an average. While there are some older folks, there are also some younger folks.

I think that any sort of unified ruleset is a bad idea because it removes individual freedom....

Removes individual freedom? This coming for somebody who is supporting 18+ only rules? Is it not one of my freedoms to go airsofting with an org? Was the PROMISE of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not guaranteed to minors? Im not to sure if its just me or not but being able to go do some mil-sim with a large group is pretty fun to me...


Yes, you have the freedom to go airsofting with an organization.  It is also the organizations freedom to say they will not allow minors.  You now have the freedom to find a different organization to play with.

Read the Federalist papers if you want to question the intent of the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness then come back here telling us we have to let you play with the adults.

I'm out.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 02:38:39 PM »
Im just saying that i disagree with the minor rules and I support Bucket and his efforts.
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2008, 03:36:21 PM »
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Im just saying that i disagree with the minor rules and I support Bucket and his efforts.


I didn't see where Bucket and his efforts are seeking to eliminate the rules against minors playing airsoft ?  Could you point that out to me?

Frankly, and this coming from one of the guys who has done a large amount of the research and opinion writing about minors and airsoft on a national level, no one gives a flyingfuck if you disagree with the rule set we have adopted regarding minors.
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2008, 04:45:47 PM »
I missed the part where putting a facemask on a kid makes him cease to be a kid.  

I have no problem with the occaisonal minor, within reason.

If 30yr old Joe Airsofter wants to bring his 17yr old brother to a game and keep an eye on him I see no problem as long as the kid isn't a fucktard and he plays right.

I have seen sponsored minors at AA games several times, and I have yet to see an underage kid acting like an ass AT AN AA GAME.

In AA, we take pride in the group and are responsible for our actions.  When you bring someone to a game, your reputation is on the line.  So far, I haven't seen anyone ruin theirs by showing up with an assclown teenager.

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't care about the legal aspect.  

I simply don't like shooting at little kids.  Well, except busta cap. :P
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2008, 05:27:37 PM »
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You look at organizations like CAOC, and the only people who support them are the people in charge (who, are, not all that respected, incidentally, Kiley; check lonestarairsoft.com), or people too new to know better.

Thanks for the lead Vince, had heard/seen nothing about that incident until now.  Certainly something that I will be thinking about next time I jump into a discussion on where I place my trust.

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2008, 05:41:34 PM »
I don't like where this is going.

Not one bit.

Can I get an AM(leave the rules the hell alone)EN ?
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2008, 06:46:55 PM »
We are getting away from the topic, the minors thing was but a small part of the bigger picture, the policing or fixing of a problem, that as this date does not exist, this Is what made me respond to this topic. The liberals are always trying to save us from ourselves, and this Is how It struck a nerve at this keyboard, I lurked for shees I don't know 2 maybe 3 weeks to get a feel for what AA was all about and I liked what I saw. A game started by adults, run by adults and I joined. If the law Is concerned about the Airsoft community there not doing there homework, they need to join { If they haven't already } this forum and read , then attend a game,If they have nothing better to do. MODS if I'm outa line here set me straight but I think I speak for a bunch of adults here. Mr Bucket If you had'nt brought up the minor issue, you would of gottun alot different reaction from me. My mind Is not closed to everything you stated, and I'm sure you mean well, just should'nt of played the minor card. I will not respond any further to this topic  everybody certainly knows how I feel now, for what Its worth. And to the members here you guys blow me away the education level present at this forum Is a breath of fresh air. Thank You for letting me be a small part of this community
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2008, 07:04:35 PM »
Ok, personal opinion divulging....... It is my belief that though a standardized set of rules would be useful, it is unnecessary, every airsofter knows the basic rules of the game. It is merely the number of hits and specific scenario rules that change. Those are explained beforehand anyway. Also, to minors, I did not find out about AA until I was 17, mainly because I was a lazy sod, but anyway, from my starting airsoft at 15, I played with a group of friends in a park, until I was 18, and I still do it today. It is great fun, a good place to hone skills and a good learning ground.  Though now I go to op and large group games, I still think that playing with your friends is one of the core beliefs of any sport. While it is good to branch out and meet new people, I have found that, for the most part, nothing I did in an organized event was unable to be replicated with my friends and I, this of course excluding all the crazy things such as real tanks, which of course there was no way in hell we were getting. Anyway, my point is, you can wait a few years till 18 before you hit all the big stuff, think, if you trained a team from 15 years to 18 years when you could all play, you could sweep the field. Just because you can't jump in the minute you get your gun, doesn't mean whine about it. Even the best NFL or NBA recruited players must do a little bench time first.
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