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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2008, 10:58:03 AM »
looks neat, but if a i'm in the sandbox in a sitiuation were i'd be going through 4 27 rnd mags that fast, i'm pretty much f'd. That kinda surprisive fire is what SAW's are for.
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2008, 12:13:58 PM »
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looks neat, but if a i'm in the sandbox in a sitiuation were i'd be going through 4 27 rnd mags that fast, i'm pretty much f'd. That kinda surprisive fire is what SAW's are for.


That's why I was wondering if they were for "hi-speed" contractors that don't care where their ammo comes from. That or like ganef said it would probably be better suited for competition shooting.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2008, 02:46:38 PM »
I don't think Corporal Keenan is talking about burning through a lot of ammunition, I think he means that volume of fire math indicates that four magazines in less than 30 seconds is a bad situation that no amount of speed reloads is going alleviate.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2008, 04:16:05 PM »
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If it was cheap, I might get one for my P90 magazines.
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i can reload that fast

I don't believe you.

Ganef is 100% right. If you have to reload like that multiple times, you're a fucking idiot. Tactical reloads should be performed at every single point that you have the chance to change a magazine. Pouches of magazines that are empty and have been stored properly, should be replenished with fresh, ready to go magazines.


Yeah, I forgot to put that in (I was in a hurry).  But I see absolutely NO reason to get one for that much money.  For airsoft or military use, you could just train the people to be better at what they do instead of looking like an idiot with a magazine for your magazines.  I would much rather hook five G36 magazines (or tape M16, AK, etc.) together and save myself the cost of $250 although I would look like the biggest ass.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2008, 05:25:30 PM »
Wow, I really don't see why it is that this is getting so much flak.  It's a load-bearing system that was designed to make reloading a firearm more efficient.  How is that not useful?  It's not a matter of "is it worth the money," or "it looks ugly," it performs a function, and it appears to perform that function very well.  Yea, it's expensive; it's a new patented product.  Duh.
Also, what is it about people complaining about reloading systems (like this) being all about 'high speed, burning through tons of ammo like a SAW'??  It's a MAGAZINE SYSTEM!  You burn through ammo by having horrible trigger control, not by reloading too quickly!  Goodness.   :roll:
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2008, 11:15:10 AM »
The videos are really there to demonstrate the ease of swapping magazines. No one is expecting to burn through 100 rounds in 30 seconds. At the same time, reducing the total amount of time of the gun being empty is not a worthless goal.
The video is really saying, "hey, the guy running our new system can reach to his kit, withdraw and insert a fresh magazine without ever taking his eyes off the target faster than someone could reach to their pouches and do the same thing".

Why put magazines in punches or panels? to make them easy to carry and easy to reach. This system is just speeding that process up.
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Re: Novel idea or practical gear?
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2008, 10:12:06 AM »
so...it's a magazine, for your magazines? Fancy idea but it would be much too thick. You get 3 mags in the space that normal pouches can carry 6.
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Re: Novel idea or practical gear?
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2008, 11:28:46 PM »
I've shot some rifle and 3-gun matches, and don't recall any stage where I needed more than two mags for a CQB type of stage where a fast reload like that can't be accomplished with an open-top mag pouch.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2008, 02:47:59 AM »
Well, I'm not sure how useful it would actually be, but it is original. You have to give them that.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2008, 02:53:22 AM »
Looks like a great system however would you only bring 4 mags to a firefight?
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2008, 09:56:24 AM »
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Looks like a great system however would you only bring 4 mags to a firefight?

Yea, how many of the damn things are you going to have to carry with you?
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Re: Novel idea or practical gear?
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2008, 02:46:05 PM »
I'm not saying it isn't neat. I just don't understand the need.

If you have to keep your weapon trained on a target and reload while moving well then you really should be working on your BRM. Not to mention why the hell would you be exposed moving slow enough to have sight alighment/sight picture on a hostile target that you are engaged with?  

also its bulky/takes up room and I'm assuming heavy (could be wrong) On top of that you would have to reload it again to keep it useful. Just those are reason enough for your common troop from wanting it.

For airsoft its cool. but with real bullets flying its kinda pointless.
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2008, 03:12:06 PM »
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If you have to keep your weapon trained on a target and reload while moving well then you really should be working on your BRM. Not to mention why the hell would you be exposed moving slow enough to have sight alighment/sight picture on a hostile target that you are engaged with?

Close Quarters Battle. This system isn't designed for your regular old infantryman IMTing in the woods or something. You gotta remember what the Army has been training up and developing new doctrines for, and that is urban warfare. I agree, the system is neat yet kinda pointless, and can be countered with better training on the soldiers level. God forbid you are in a situation where you have fired the last two or three rounds out of you magazine, becuase you failed to do a tactical reload(or didn't have the time to do so), but if you need the magazine NOW, at least you'll have it.
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Re: Novel idea or practical gear?
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2008, 06:13:00 PM »
Your right there is nothing that this gear does, that good training can't do.

Then again I'm old school and don't like trusting my life or the lives of my soldiers to tech that could fail, god forbid that peice of gear jams or locks up and you can't get that last full mag out. Guess thats why we always carried a throw down mag in our cargo pocket. And as far as knowing how close to reloading you are thats what tracers are for, first 3 last 3 every mag every time.
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