G36C gun help.

[koyv]

Im a air soft noob .

Me and my friends are getting into air soft and I am looking to buy a good reliable gun that is a G36C model. I have been looking at whats out there and there are a couple of good ones.

The ones i found are

the Kwa G36C version which is more expensive but supposedly better?
Then there is the JG version and the Echo version.

Now can someone explain to me the differences between the Kwa version JG version and Echo Version.

P.S i would really like to know what the differences between the JG version and the Echo version are because apparently from the same company and they have the same internal parts but the Echo version costs more ?

[kernel.panic]

there are many articles on the differences between the Echo1 and JG.
i'm not 100% accurate, but Echo1 is basically an upgraded (slightly) JG.
the KWA is most likely a better gun. the major difference between the KWA and the Echo1/JG is that
the KWA has the larger handguard to accomodate a large battery. This is about an $80 option for the E1/JG.

I have an Echo1 MP5A4 RAS, but have no real shooting time on it to give you any info on reliablity of their product.
I do however have issues with the E1 as far as parts go. I've tried to buy a claw mount (classic army) and it doesn't fit. Wobbles
all over the place. I also purchased an adapter to thread on a silencer and I had to pound it in with a hammer to get it to work.

my $0.02

kp

[I Slap Fat Kids]

JG and Echo are the same and KWA has much higher quality internals and I believe that it comes Li-Po ready (meaning you could put a very high powered battery in it without having to buy anything to allow the use of one).

[Altered_Soul]

Get a TM or at least a CA.  Slightly more money for higher reliability.  Just because the clones say they shoot harder doesn't mean they shoot better.

KWA comes in third.  That or STAR but good luck finding those.

[koyv]

Get a TM or at least a CA.  Slightly more money for higher reliability.  Just because the clones say they shoot harder doesn't mean they shoot better.

KWA comes in third.  That or STAR but good luck finding those.

i was looking up on a website and they said the CA one sucks and that the Kwa and echo ones were the best for prices and quality. PLus if i wanted a TM one couldnt i just get echo and upgrade parts to TM. But if i did i dont know what to upgrade and what parts to get from TM.

p.s i am just telling you all what i heard.

Im wanting to compare what a majority of people say and go with that .

[Kodiak]

I myself love my JG/Echo 1 G36C to death. I ordered the cheaper Jg, but The gun came in an Echo 1 box, so I checked it out, and the two guns are exactly the same. I've only had one problem with it so far. The fire selector has broken, but a bit o' Gorilla glue fixed it and it works just like new. I myself didn't break it, my friend did in a skirmish, so I'm not sure of the circumstances under which it broke, but I'm sure it took a lot of accidental effort.

[BATMAN]

I've owned 3 G36Cs in the past years.  I'm just going to put it in straight plain words.  It's up to you as to how you take it.

-Marui makes by far the best quality G36C, hands down.  It has to do with SO much more than just gearbox parts.
-I've worked on dozens of Classic Army G36s, and owned one myself, and the only thing nice about them is the fiberglass/ABS externals.  Everything else is a complete headache.
-Star G36Cs, no matter what people tell you, are just a waste of money.  They're not very good guns, externally or internally.  Buy a JG or Marui long before you consider buying a Star.
-KWA G36s are decent guns.  They may or may not be worth the extra cost.  It all depends on how you look at it.  I'd still take a Marui.
-Echo1 = JG, plus battery, charger, and a warranty.  That's all.  In my opinion, they're better quality than CA or Star, which is silly, because they're so cheap.

The only other option I know of is the SRC, and I have no dealings with them.  Chances are they're just like all their other guns, which means they're hit or miss: pretty good, or complete crap.
If you're an airsoft noob, just go buy an Echo1.  You won't regret it.  They're decent guns, I've seen very few consistent problems with them, and they're cheap.  If you want something high quality, look at a Marui.
-BATMAN

[Morgann0]

KWA comes in third.  That or STAR but good luck finding those.
i was looking up on a website and they said the CA one sucks and that the Kwa and echo ones were the best for prices and quality. PLus if i wanted a TM one couldnt i just get echo and upgrade parts to TM. But if i did i dont know what to upgrade and what parts to get from TM.

Anyone who says CA sucks clearly doesn't know what they speak of.  I just sold my CA G36, and it served me well for a long time.  The only major complaints I have are:

The magazines are fat, and don't fit (unless you force them) into any pre-made gear.  The magazines are also difficult to find locally.

The battery.  It's a mini.  If you want a bigger one, get a battery bag or get a hollow stock that holds a large size battery for 80-90 dollars.

I upgraded mine way back in the day, when I didn't know a damn thing, and it went straight to hell.  Stay stock.  That's my opinion based on experience.

[Altered_Soul]

Anyone who says CA sucks clearly doesn't know what they speak of.  I just sold my CA G36, and it served me well for a long time.  The only major complaints I have are:

The magazines are fat, and don't fit (unless you force them) into any pre-made gear.  The magazines are also difficult to find locally.

The battery.  It's a mini.  If you want a bigger one, get a battery bag or get a hollow stock that holds a large size battery for 80-90 dollars.

I upgraded mine way back in the day, when I didn't know a damn thing, and it went straight to hell.  Stay stock.  That's my opinion based on experience.

Each of those complaints are for any G36 on the market (or for the last one any AEG in general).

I have owned/operated every single release of g36s (TM, CA, E1/JG, KWA, STAR), and I can confidently say that the order of reliability goes TM > CA > KWA > STAR > E1/JG.  I find it pointless to spend money on a clone and then use the common excuse of, "well I can work on it and make it almost as reliable as a TM" instead of just getting the proven TM.  The key words of the "upgrade a clone" argument are COULD and MAYBE, as in you COULD upgrade it and MAYBE it will be as solid as a stock TM.  And then the price difference would be fairly negligble (under 100 dollars).  

As for the CA, its solid, never had any problems with the ones I used.  Initial internals are OK, but the wiring is crap.  Body is much nicer than the TM though, thats the truth.

[KOBO]

I own a TM and Sten owns a CA. For the limited use they get they seem to perform and we have not had any problem, but then again its limited use. The CA has a nice body while TM sounds solid internally.

If the Echo is anything like my M249, it is fine, but the gears are not the highest quality and I would expect them to wear faster then TM or CA.

As far as mags go, there is always the option to convert to M4 mags.

[Uchiha Itachi]

I own a TM and Sten owns a CA. For the limited use they get they seem to perform and we have not had any problem, but then again its limited use. The CA has a nice body while TM sounds solid internally.

If the Echo is anything like my M249, it is fine, but the gears are not the highest quality and I would expect them to wear faster then TM or CA.

As far as mags go, there is always the option to convert to M4 mags.

The echo is an A&K so the gears are different. The JG/Echo1 is known to have CA gears.

TM: Most reliable but to weak FPS wise. Its accurate but once you bust it open you ruin its TM lifespan .
CA: garbage, utter garbage. The only savable piece on mine is the gearbox. Everything else has broken or bent from LIGHT use.
Star: Garbage as well. The scopes are horrible and I've heard the plastic splits. Not worth the tag also.
JG: Great as long as you don't abuse it. High enough FPS that you don't have to upgrade other than a TB and bucking. The problem is dumbsh*t kids buy them and spray through jams, spray entire hicaps , drop it,  never clean the barrel or attempt to "upgrade". Which eventually just kills the gun and they blame the gun and the place they bought it. When that kind of abuse would kill a CA or TM. They just couldn't buy one.

I've owned over a dozen now "clones". Only ONE has ever been KIA and unfixable(BE g36) but I was new and didn't know better. If you treat the gun right and don't abuse it there shouldn't be a problem. A good deal of the broken guns I've seen are completely user fudgeups from them screwing with the gun and not knowing what to do. And I have NEVER stripped a gear or piston while using my guns.

[Nitro1]

Just my 2 cents...
I own a CA G36C that has been upgraded.

Piston head
Cylinder
110 spring
M16 6.3 tight bore barrel
Silencer
Madbull clear "soft" hopup bucking
Large 9.6 battery
Large fore grip for battery

I have had it 6 months now. I have over 30k-40k rounds through it and have only had one issue, my anti reverse latch broke which was a whopping $10
I have owned 8 rifles in the last 6 months and this is my favorite. The build quality is very good. It is reliable and is very accurate.

[BoltActionRob]

Get a TM or at least a CA.  Slightly more money for higher reliability.  Just because the clones say they shoot harder doesn't mean they shoot better.

KWA comes in third.  That or STAR but good luck finding those.

i was looking up on a website and they said the CA one sucks and that the Kwa and echo ones were the best for prices and quality. PLus if i wanted a TM one couldnt i just get echo and upgrade parts to TM. But if i did i dont know what to upgrade and what parts to get from TM.

p.s i am just telling you all what i heard.

Im wanting to compare what a majority of people say and go with that .

Dude, just a tip, Airsoftgi isn't exactly the best source of airsoft info.
They have a chart on the website that is obviously there to get people to buy brands like G&G and Echo1.
It says CA is the worst option for god knows why.
But, let me assure you, you can NEVER go wrong with a CA gun of any kind.
However, Echo1/JG will break eventually and a lot quicker than any other gun.

[kingkrush]

Same here. I love G36's and M4's too . They need to be cheap. Which should I get?

[Altered_Soul]

Same here. I love G36's and M4's too . They need to be cheap. Which should I get?

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