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Offline parajaeger

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East Valley Airsoft
« on: January 29, 2009, 08:52:24 PM »
So I have stood by silently listening to everyone flame away about EVA...Here is what I have to say.

EVA was created by a person with no airsoft experience, just someone who wanted to create and be apart of something. He posted on this forum his ideas and was blasted for it and reacted quite poorly...

In anycase EVA is back and still being flamed. Now since none of you know exactly who we are, EVA members and prospects are mainly Veterans. This bulls**t about jumping fences to train in a abandoned warehouse, We checked with MPD and they had no problem with us being there. After we discovered that it was state trust land we have since decided to stay away after contacting the right people.

EVA is not an organization to be described as " a bunch of kids" as far as I am aware everyone is above the age of 21. And the Vets....well we were all above the rank of SPC...I hardly would describe someone who has lead men into combat as a kid.

To all those that want to question my military experience PM me and I will invite you over for a beer or soda for you young ones and I will show you my DD214, Orders for my Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, My awards and decorations recieved from my 2 tours in Iraq and my orders promoting me to SSG.

If you want to rip my post apart because of spelling and grammar...dude im just a retarded ass infantryman...get over it.

If you want to flame EVA...I invite you to train with us for a day, get to know us and then if you please...rip us apart...

In the meantime we are getting stronger and training harder...and if anyone does wish to join us contact me via PM here our on our web page http://www.evairsoft.com

If Iam forgeting something Im sure it will be brought up very quickly.

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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 09:13:32 AM »
One of you still sh!t on Doc's porch......
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 09:51:56 AM »
Seems some people don't appreciate the value of a mataphor.  

Hey Sarnt, bout time you showed up here. I'm not flaming "EVA" but you can't really dispute the clusterfucking the early "EVA" posters did for themselves here.  Now some people here probably are flaming EVA but thats not my hootch. As you likely know Chris Martinez or whateverthefuck his name is almost got his badass self a major no go blanket party for his conversation and I'd guess that being a brother of the blue you would have smoked his ass too.  So yeah, its gonna come up for a while.  He earned it for himself.  Unfortunately for yall he was the spokesmodel for EVA there for a minute.  

The first impression "EVA" left around here smelled like poop.  Since you are a dynamic infantry NCO I am certain you will police up and unfuck what was done.  Just remember that AA isnt the EVA private forums - its our house.  Yall are the newcomers to something we have been doing for a really longfucking time.  But I'm sure you have your troops in check now.

Now when it comes to the bully dog assclown ru ru ru ru rangers I do inentionally and with malice flame every chance I get - but thats another story.  

I try to be nice but the infantry in me just makes me an asshole.  You do understand I'm sure.

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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 01:07:18 PM »
I had this well prepared post ready to go and then my daughter turned my computer off...so here it is in short form.

Doc I was not putting you in my sights with that post...what happened between you and chris is between you two.

EVA is always recruiting, and I think the bad rep on this forum will hurt us...Im only trying to remedy this.

I know we are nobody in the community right now, and I hope we will be in the future but a majority of our time will be devoted to training and building the team. Not running around shooting eachother, and when we feel we are ready, we will host a weekend OP to show our capabilites off.

If anyone is interested in what type of training we conduct, find FM 7-8 or SH 21-76 and have a look inside.

Between Rob and I we are both well qualified to train using these methods mixed with actual experience.

Now I have never attacked anyone or offended someone on this site, so I ask in return that I recieve the same respect that I show you.  

If anyone has a problem with EVA take it up with me privately and maybe we can sort through the bullshit and come to different terms.


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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 01:08:26 PM »
just realized my short form sucks...
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 02:38:48 PM »
I can't speak for everyone here, but I personally don't doubt the validity of EVA.  The only thing I personally have a problem with is some of your members coming here with their attitudes saying shit to airsoft arizona guys.  Like Doc says, I'm sure that someone of your training and discipline can turn those EVA members around.  :mrgreen:
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 05:09:23 PM »
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I can't speak for everyone here, but I personally don't doubt the validity of EVA. The only thing I personally have a problem with is some of your members coming here with their attitudes saying s*** to airsoft arizona guys. Like Doc says, I'm sure that someone of your training and discipline can turn those EVA members around


I would like to take a minute to publicaly apologize for my actions in the previous post.  I got caught up in childish BS and there was no need for it.  I have policed myself up and plan to conduct myself acordingly in the future.  I understand I have very minimal Airsoft experience however what I lack in that arena, I more than make up for in REAL WORLD and OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENT experience.  I gained my experience through years of military service and several combat tours.  Para said it earlier.. we train using FM 7-8 and SH 21-76... Most military type units will train the same way.  We do not just go out to the open field and shoot rounds.. we actually train and then use the training in real situations.  I would only ask that you reconsider the validity of EVA if you think we are FOS then cool but dont black ball us because of some comments...

Thanks

Rob

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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 06:15:55 PM »
it's cool man, no harm done.  like I said, I don't doubt the validity of EVA at all, nor your previous military experience.  I have no bad feelings towards you or any of your members.  we're all human, and we all do irrational stuff sometimes.  to err is human =D  I look forward to someday play with or against you out in the field  8)
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2009, 09:10:09 PM »
I can understand not wanting your team criticized on the boards. One huge aspect that I think is being missed here is you guys jumped a fence into some land to play that is clearly marked with no trespassing signs, I live close by to the sight and seen them. Believe me, I thought that would be a great place to play as well. You guys appeared to call after the fact and seems to be all cleared up. Here is the big point that is missing, that location is easily range of the freeway and is off a major road. Permission or not I do not believe that is a safe place to be playing, that whole in city limits thing. Activity such as that has the potential to harm airsoft and it is important for everyone who does participate to act in a responsible matter. You guys say that the team is all older, however I do believe that shows irresponsibility and therefore you are going to get the boards attention.
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2009, 09:49:23 PM »
If I’ve learned anything from this hobby, not just from the forums alone, it’s that  you first respect the law and second you respect the hobbies community. Now I’ve seen both of these violated in about two forums. Not to say that you guys aren’t trying and it’s good to see any organization but first impressions are well… first impressions. I’m sure I’d be glad to shoot some 6mm death with you guys but my first though is that I’d rather avoid EVA. It’s embedded in my head from history rather than personal experience.
I usually take the forums with a grain of salt but the first impression was ….more than I want to deal with.
I personally hope you guys prove your point and can be welcome into our community but you’re off to a bad start.
Prove us other wise and then welcome.
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2009, 09:53:09 PM »
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We checked with MPD and they had no problem with us being there. After we discovered that it was state trust land we have since decided to stay away after contacting the right people.

you may have not read the entire post... We checked with Mesa Police Department before hand who did not seem to have an issue with us being there. That was good enough for me!

I took appropriate measures to ensure safety of my team and passing motorist.

And for the record we never jumped a fence...we walked through the gate.
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 01:50:48 AM »
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We checked with MPD and they had no problem with us being there. After we discovered that it was state trust land we have since decided to stay away after contacting the right people.

you may have not read the entire post... We checked with Mesa Police Department before hand who did not seem to have an issue with us being there. That was good enough for me!

I took appropriate measures to ensure safety of my team and passing motorist.

And for the record we never jumped a fence...we walked through the gate.
I think your missing the point. The first (x) number of "EVA" disscussions on this forum resulted in some of the worst theatening, name calling, bashing, and general idiocy I have ever seen on this forum. Your people came onto this forum and began creating a rucus. So, just stop. We appreciate that there are more airsofters in AZ, and you seem to be a nice enough guy, so, try building a steady rep and let the EVA garbage blow over. Play as a team, have your own forums and bond with each other by all means, you have my best wishes too you, AZ needs a stronger team focus, but don't come on here and try to fix everything with one post- thread, complaining about how "Your sorry so-and-so might have done....(blah!)..." I feel for you man, you have now come on here with the bad air of previous disputes to fight against, so please, post your games-I might come, train your guys, and recruit!  :) , but please stop harping on about what is done. Its done, you can't change that, now you have to live with the bad rep for a while.  Keep yourselves in the lawful side of things, and keep having good advice and games, and you will eventually find your rep has turned around. I, for one, look forward to seeing you all in the field sometime!
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2009, 09:44:50 AM »
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We checked with MPD and they had no problem with us being there. After we discovered that it was state trust land we have since decided to stay away after contacting the right people.

you may have not read the entire post... We checked with Mesa Police Department before hand who did not seem to have an issue with us being there. That was good enough for me!

I took appropriate measures to ensure safety of my team and passing motorist.

And for the record we never jumped a fence...we walked through the gate.

I call BS on this. I have talked with a MPD officer and AAboard member about this, they don't give permissions like that. The way you must have worded it to them must not have conveyed the real intent because they probably wouldn't have let you do what you asked.

Just relax, and stop trying to defend whatever you did or have done. Move on and don't break laws, that is all we ask.

If EVA wants to be seen as a legitimate organization, then act like it and stop talking about it, come to games and make friends in other organizations. When you keep defending whatever, you just dig your hole deeper.
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 09:57:15 AM »
Just to sort the statements here -

No one is telling you "You can't do this" because clearly you can.  In whatever fashion something that at least APPEARS to most of us to be in appropriate was done.  

Appearances of improper airsofting WILL result in strong dogpiling in this and any other airsoft related forum.  Period.

No one here can force or enforce anyone else's conduct (save those few who carry the badge) but its going to get shit talked if its wrong or looks wrong.

And if it LOOKS wrong the burden is on you to prove it wasn't wrong.  

People do stupid things with toy guns every day.  It doesn't mean we have to be subjected to it in our house.  Cause and effect....
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Re: East Valley Airsoft
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2009, 03:28:41 PM »
Ganef I really dont appreciate the BS call but I will respect it... but I know many in MPD since my father is a member of the SWAT team...so I took my intel as reliable and went with it... and NO I did not ask him...and with that I will end my crusade to right the past...just know that Chris is not the only guy in EVA!

Thanks for everyone input, I like to see things from many angles...while I dont agree with many I certainly saved them in the ol' mental notebook.

So now that we beat the shit out of this dead horse can this be locked?
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