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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2009, 09:15:15 PM »
I will say this on what's been spoken of in here, when I started airsoft (back around when Vince did actually before I think) I too had to save up for my guns with my hard earned money from my job that paid beans to afford them when they were less affordable and way less accessible (one of only two places had them here, one being Ron's "Game On" unless you ordered from HK, and not like now with every Big Five and WalMart sporting them). The fact that they were more expensive was one reason why I never screwed around with them and put not only my self, but the hobby in the spotlight with not so smart moves. I didnt want to lose my investment. back then you didnt see people shooting speed cameras or people (kids especially) pulling them on cops and getting shot because when I and those I played with didnt by them to dick around, we bought them because we had genuine interest in the hobby and respected them accordingly. Although I'm not really against the Chinese clones, I feel for anyone to sit there and say they didnt have a negative impact on the hobby would be ignorant. When you increase accessibility you add the ability for misuse as we have seen all over the country lately.

After going to a few bad games with newer people that haven't been around I usually prefer to go to events I you know will have the level of integrity, sportsmanship, and experience that I'm used to doesn't make me an elitist, nor does the fact that I prefer to purchase high quality AEG's and gear. I just prefer not to waste my time and drag my gun and gear to a bad time or waste my money. I have been known to go to new games too btw, which I also know that some of the guys you brand as elitist do actually also go to unknown/new hostings as well, yet it doesnt mean they might come back. If you get screwed over at a store wouldn't you get more cautious to the ones you shop at there after? same goes here.. no one is obligated to do anything on here except play an honorable game of airsoft and act responsible and respectable with their's and other's guns and gear. With the directions things are going there should be serious concern for the hobby's future. many of us watched it grow from something so small and it's a big part of us so understand when crap hits the fan this is why we get so angry. every little thing now is a nail in the coffin so play safe, play responsible.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2009, 09:39:13 PM »
Although, if it weren't for the cheaper companies, airsoft would NOT be as popular as it is today... only the richys would be able to afford the guns and so we probably wouldn't be talking on this forum at this moment in time... so although it may have brought in the kids that do the stupid crap, it also brought in way more people that actually care about the sport enough to make sure that they do nothing to bring bad rep to the sport/hobby.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2009, 10:12:43 PM »
I didn't read this whole thread, but does this mean that Gearbox is going out of business?
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2009, 10:17:56 PM »
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Although, if it weren't for the cheaper companies, airsoft would NOT be as popular as it is today... only the richys would be able to afford the guns and so we probably wouldn't be talking on this forum at this moment in time... [...]

You say all this like it's a bad thing.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2009, 10:19:48 PM »
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I didn't read this whole thread, but does this mean that Gearbox is going out of business?

Nope, it was a fluke. They did get raided but it was no different than before. Some went to prison, some molds got destroyed and typical Chinese diplomacy.

People panicked for no reason and did the typical internet "oh noes they taking our illegal stuffs".

Like I said....it's China. Few pay offs, maybe a sold daughter and everyone's back in business.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2009, 10:34:47 PM »
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I didn't read this whole thread, but does this mean that Gearbox is going out of business?

Nope, it was a fluke. They did get raided but it was no different than before. Some went to prison, some molds got destroyed and typical Chinese diplomacy.

People panicked for no reason and did the typical internet "oh noes they taking our illegal stuffs".

Like I said....it's China. Few pay offs, maybe a sold daughter and everyone's back in business.
He means they being AMG and CYMA, not Gearbox I'm guessing lol I read the first couple sentences and went "holy shit, Ron got raided?" Does Gearbox even sell these brands? I thought they had CYMA only when they were JT..
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2009, 10:57:44 PM »
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Although, if it weren't for the cheaper companies, airsoft would NOT be as popular as it is today... only the richys would be able to afford the guns and so we probably wouldn't be talking on this forum at this moment in time... [...]

You say all this like it's a bad thing.

No. What I'm saying is that without the cheapo factories making cheap guns, the poorer people that still love airsoft would be out of a hobby. Which is a good thing for a lot of people including me...
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2009, 11:02:47 PM »
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I didn't read this whole thread, but does this mean that Gearbox is going out of business?

Nope, it was a fluke. They did get raided but it was no different than before. Some went to prison, some molds got destroyed and typical Chinese diplomacy.

People panicked for no reason and did the typical internet "oh noes they taking our illegal stuffs".

Like I said....it's China. Few pay offs, maybe a sold daughter and everyone's back in business.
He means they being AMG and CYMA, not Gearbox I'm guessing lol I read the first couple sentences and went "holy s***, Ron got raided?" Does Gearbox even sell these brands? I thought they had CYMA only when they were JT..

Ha, no CYMA and AGM. The last time CYMA got raided they lost their M14 molds and A&K had a forced shut down for awhile. Which was why SR25s and M249s were hard to find and still somewhat are. JG didn't get raided because they had the foresight of closing early before the celebration. Which is why newer JGs are hard to get since nothing is being produced and only back stocked merchandise is being shipped out.

These types of raids happen a lot in China and most just don't get published. This happens every time a chinese holiday comes around as a show of "We're trying".

Remember when "Uramex" bought the HK rights and everyone freaked out? Well I still got a G36 pretty easily and I can still get one easily as every other HK gun including the pistols. People panic and assume...it's what they do.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2009, 11:08:51 PM »
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Sorry man, my budget only calls for so much.  Take it up with the wifey... I'd like to see you win that argument.   ;)

And I would like to fly around the world, but my budget only calls for so much.  Tough luck.  I might not be as well known as Vince or azsarge but I've also been playing a long time.  When I started airsofting, I was working at Captain D's seafood making $6/hr.  My brother works at Walmart, he can still afford to play.  It's not like we are trying to make this some "rich kids sport".  If you really want an airsoft gun, you can get one.  You may have to grow up and learn how to save money but we aren't talking about a car here.  We are talking about less than $200.  I save $50+ a week by buying groceries rather than eating out and I'm only feeding one.  That pays for a gun a month right there.  

You say you are a soccer coach, correct?  Assuming I am reading the correct website (ayso1046.com), there is a registration fee of $85-$110, correct?  So if I come to you and say my kid wants to play but only has $45, what are you going to say?  What about the next person to ask that or the one after that?  So, maybe they can't play this year and have to save up until next year.  Do you know what you have done now?  You have proven the kid wants to play soccer, he's not just doing it because he's bored.  Even if you don't encourage competitiveness, I know none of your kids want to be stuck with the kid who goes out there and just screws around.  As a coach, who would you rather give playing time to, a kid who's working his ass off because he enjoys it or a kid who's just screwing around because he didn't have anything better to do and his parents just throw money at him to shut him up?  Plus, you could always go with some nice Chinese uniforms that may not fit and balls that occasionally hold air.  That should drop that by a good $40.  It's the same reason most clubs/organizations have a membership fee.  It ensures they are getting people who actually want to be a part of it, not just people that want to screw around and ruin it for everyone else.

Regardless if you consider it a sport or a hobby, it has a cost associated with it.  We are not talking about some outrageous cost.  We are talking about the minimum required cost to get quality equipment which not only helps keep you safe, it's helps ensure you enjoy the game.  If you can't afford it sorry, but life is full of disappointments.  You aren't somehow entitled to be able to airsoft.  In addition, gear isn't required at most games.  Are you going to get laughed at if you show up in shorts and a tshirt?  Yeah probably, but I'm going to laugh at you for running around with a BE Aug just as hard.  Probably harder.  Heck, I've got gear and half the time I don't use it because I'm too lazy.  I know people in this thread can attest to seeing me at a game wearing jeans and a tshirt.  There's even picture proof.  Let me give you a little hint.  You are better off spending the extra cash on a worthy gun then spending it on gear.  You come out to the game with $600 worth of gear and a $100 that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, you know what happens?  Your team wishes they had a teammate that could actually hit a target.  You come out with jeans and a tshirt and pick off people with your $400 gun that shoots lasers, you know what happens?  Your team is glad they have somebody who can hit their target regardless of what you are wearing.

If you are an adult and can't afford it you either need to look at your budget or come to terms with the fact there are somethings you can't afford (probably the former).  But I can tell you right now I work at GoDaddy making $13/hr, and I can afford to airsoft.  They are hiring right now, feel free to apply.  I know I'm not the only GoDaddy employee on here.  Give them my name on your application and I'll even split the referral bonus with you.

If you are a child and this means mommy and daddy won't buy the guns for you any more.  Tough, there's a reason they have a minimum age to purchase.  You'll just have to wait like the rest of us did.  You have to wait to own a car, you have to wait to own a gun.  See the pattern?

Heck, if you can convince me that you can't afford an extra $200 for a better gun (not that you just don't want to live in a manner that allows you to afford one), I'll give you one.  I somehow expect I'll be hanging onto my guns though.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2009, 08:55:08 AM »
Xavier, I honestly think you've misunderstood me.  I work right next door to you (I assume you work in the Tempe campus off Kyrene and Elliot).  I earn $71k a year as a Business Systems Analyst.  I have two car payments and two mortgages.  I have three children, all under the age of 6.  I have two maxed out credit cards due to being through five layoffs in the last 7 years.  I'm also paying off medical bills from the last child's birth that total close to $5000.

I've run my budget over and over several times and have $300 a month left over after all monthly bills are paid.  That $300 goes to food, gas and any other expenses the family needs.  I don't eat out for lunch, I always bring one.  So yes, scrounging up $200 for a gun is painful and takes several months (almost a year).  It took me 4 months to save up the $120 for AYSO ($60 each) for my 5 and 4 year olds.

I'm not trying to gather up a pity party here, and I apologize if some of you veterans think that I've been on the attack during this discussion.  I would just hope that you might realize there are a lot of people out there who have a genuine interest in this hobby but can't afford to spend the money on a high-quality, name brand gun.  So when the opportunity comes around for someone to spend half as much on a clone, they'll jump on it because it doesn't break the bank for them.  It doesn't mean they have less dedication to the hobby than you do, nor does it mean they have more.  It simply means budget constraints are tighter.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2009, 09:44:46 AM »
UPDATE: From Arnie's..
China: AGM and Cyma News

...bad news. Apparently, both AGM and Cymas owners had been arrested and factories dismantled. They are being prosecuted for illegal guns manufacture in accordance to PRC's laws. Thats it folks. That is why no new products from China lately. News confirmed, as we received almost verbatim message from three different and highly reputable sources

from airsoftnews.eu (sorry no link as i had to use proxy to go there as its blocked in china)

if that is so, how is that possible that i talked with Cyma boss just yesterday and he was in home and ok...and certainly not arrested of any kind. And AGM boss is arrested that is true but they already are planning ahead just waiting that all clears ahead. they have so highly reputable sources that they even forgot to mention one...unnamed sources of any kind so that is highly reputable these days  and why no new products from China is BECAUSE the damn holiday festivities (60th Anniversary of China) WHY all factories had to close not because couple of them got busted or raided...tell the real reasons at least if that is news or something.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=175743
This thread goes on for a few pages, check it out. Basically, AGM got its wings clipped, but CYMA is fine, minus a few Thompson molds.
Now let the clone wars continue.....
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2009, 03:52:29 PM »
Going back to the original topic, didnt they say the same thing a year ago now? I think they said ebaybanned was raided as well. Then laternothing really happened. So this time it is legit?
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2009, 04:44:59 PM »
So, this brings up my question:

When is someone going to start making quality AEGs in the USA?  I'm talking no-shit CNC, mil-spec hard coat anodized, quality components.  The US can make high-quality AR lowers for 100 bucks.  I'd pay double that for a receiver set for an AEG.  

I'm tired of these shitty asian AEGs.  Every time I heft my AEG, which I consider to be high-end, it feels like a piece of trash compared to my LMT and Larue parts.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2009, 05:15:25 PM »
I know at last year's Shot Show there was some talks about that.  The problem is most airsofters these days wouldn't pay for them.

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I'm not trying to gather up a pity party here, and I apologize if some of you veterans think that I've been on the attack during this discussion.  I would just hope that you might realize there are a lot of people out there who have a genuine interest in this hobby but can't afford to spend the money on a high-quality, name brand gun.  So when the opportunity comes around for someone to spend half as much on a clone, they'll jump on it because it doesn't break the bank for them.  It doesn't mean they have less dedication to the hobby than you do, nor does it mean they have more.  It simply means budget constraints are tighter.

Part of the point I was trying to make was that just because it's possible to do it cheaper, doesn't mean it SHOULD be done cheaper.  Does making it cheaper allow for people on tighter budgets play when they couldn't before?  Yes and in cases like yours that may be fine.  Unfortunately, I think you would be the minority which means hurting the hobby/sport just to allow an ever so small group of people to play that couldn't play before.  The majority of people I see buying clones are either parents buying them for their kids to shut them up or asshats that are just buying them because they think it's makes them badasses.  Are they exceptions to that?  Sure.  Arizona is lucky (IMO) because we have a much heavier concentration of old school players that run off the kids and asshats.

Would higher prices run off people like you?  Yeah it's possible and I understand that sucks for you.  But that will also run off a large portion of the kids (or rather their parents) that are destroying our hobby/sport.  One step back, two steps forward.  It benefits airsofting as a whole.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2009, 06:04:03 PM »
thats the thing I was saying Xavier, is that just because parents are buying kids guns doesn't mean that the kids are being the asshats... some of them (like myself) are getting it to help try and improve the sport/hobby. Ya there is always gonna be that one kid that gets the gun and gets themselves in trouble by being dumbs****. And theres always the asshats that get the gun and post videos showing themselves doing stupid stuff with the gun... but not everyone... at least some of us are posting videos and spreading ideas on this forum to help progress the sport/hobby even further... so before you start saying that every little kid gets it to be an asshat doesn't mean it's true.
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