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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2009, 10:20:01 PM »
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I know at last year's Shot Show there was some talks about that.  The problem is most airsofters these days wouldn't pay for them.

Do you think that could stem from the fact that most airsofters these days have never held a firearm?

See what's wrong with this situation?
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2009, 12:17:05 AM »
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thats the thing I was saying Xavier, is that just because parents are buying kids guns doesn't mean that the kids are being the asshats... some of them (like myself) are getting it to help try and improve the sport/hobby. Ya there is always gonna be that one kid that gets the gun and gets themselves in trouble by being dumbs****. And theres always the asshats that get the gun and post videos showing themselves doing stupid stuff with the gun... but not everyone... at least some of us are posting videos and spreading ideas on this forum to help progress the sport/hobby even further... so before you start saying that every little kid gets it to be an asshat doesn't mean it's true.

I'm sorry, I've seen you guys videos.  You are not furthering the sport.  But that's neither here nor there.

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Do you think that could stem from the fact that most airsofters these days have never held a firearm?

See what's wrong with this situation?

Yes and no (IMO).  I've got owned my share of real guns and spent my share of time handling them.  I agree, I've never touched an airsoft gun where I've gone wow that feels like my real gun.  In fact my new KWA is actually one of the closest I've seen to replicating the feel.  But would I spend $250-400 just to get that feel on my receiver?  That would be a pretty hard sell for me.  Stocks, rails, yeah, no problem.  The difference effects the functionality and you are touching it all the time.  But the receiver?  You don't really touch it, all it's doing is holding parts together.  Would I like it to closer replicate the real thing?  Definitely, but I don't know that I would spend hundreds of dollars doing so unless it gave some other benefit.  IE If it used RS stock tube.  That would probably be enough to get me to do it.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2009, 11:38:11 PM »
Although having only the higher priced Aegs would eliminate some of the asshats as you said, you can't take the thousands and more that are already sold out of their hands. Without a cheaper alternative and large exposed following these dumbshits will kill the sport in no time. Also how many local airsoft shops can stay in business in an economy like this without the shitty asian aegs being sold, or coming in for repairs?
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2009, 08:47:00 PM »
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Although having only the higher priced Aegs would eliminate some of the asshats as you said, you can't take the thousands and more that are already sold out of their hands. Without a cheaper alternative and large exposed following these dumbshits will kill the sport in no time. Also how many local airsoft shops can stay in business in an economy like this without the shitty asian aegs being sold, or coming in for repairs?

That's a really good point you make their... so Xavier needs to quit talking crap about people who can't afford the best guns out their 'cause if it wasn't for us, how would the small airsoft shops stay in business? Cause it's not like the higher priced ones are going to break easy and with only one or two at a time to fix, they would have to raise their prices...
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2009, 08:50:20 PM »
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Although having only the higher priced Aegs would eliminate some of the asshats as you said, you can't take the thousands and more that are already sold out of their hands. Without a cheaper alternative and large exposed following these dumbshits will kill the sport in no time. Also how many local airsoft shops can stay in business in an economy like this without the shitty asian aegs being sold, or coming in for repairs?

That's a really good point you make their... so Xavier needs to quit talking crap about people who can't afford the best guns out their 'cause if it wasn't for us, how would the small airsoft shops stay in business? Cause it's not like the higher priced ones are going to break easy and with only one or two at a time to fix, they would have to raise their prices...

Oh noez, I've been insulted by another Bullydog asshat.  Let me clue you in on something.  There have been small airsoft shops since long before there were clones.  I'm sorry if you aren't old enough to remember.  In fact, I would dare say margins would probably go up if clones got killed off.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2009, 03:27:17 PM »
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Heaven forbid my (or anyone else's for that matter) entrance to the sport diminished your ability to play.

It's not the ability to play, but it's the quality of the play.  You see, to put it simply, anybody can afford to get a Chinese clone and hit the fields.  However, that's anybody, that means that now you end up with people who buy the gun before even knowing how anybody plays the sport (literally), and they go on to cause havoc at the games they attend because they don't call their hits or ignore rules.  When you start to get the games filled with these people, there are some conflicts that arise, and the respectful fun turns into a bad day.  I, personally, would like to see less of these instances, and I believe that the loss of new players who we'll appreciate is acceptable if the numbers of annoying new players drops.  Most people who have been joining in the few years that I've been here have only lasted about a year, if not less.

Just my opinion...

So buying a more expensive AEG makes you a better more respectful player?
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2009, 08:37:43 PM »
Time is already showing that more and more people will play whether the ancient ones like it or not. You don't have to play with the new kids if you don't want to. Personally I will welcome every new player to the sport with open arms. I couldn't care less about their skill, so long as they keep a good attitude. If they don't then I'll just choose not to play with them. Idiots are everywhere, it's an unfortunate fact. Respected as some of you may be within our lovely community, perhaps that respect is going to your head?


(I won't deny that things have probably become much more idiotic from your perspectives, though)
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2009, 01:17:04 AM »
XM this is for you:

http://www.airsoftpost.com/madbull-body ... 30041.html

I have the upper, its is VERY nice.  If you want to take a look at it feel free to PM me.

I honestly dont mind the douche bag kids with the crappy guns, I can out range them and deliver a very high rate of fire directed right between their eyes.  It make me feel all warm a fuzzy on the inside. :-"
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2009, 03:37:38 PM »
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Heaven forbid my (or anyone else's for that matter) entrance to the sport diminished your ability to play.

It's not the ability to play, but it's the quality of the play.  You see, to put it simply, anybody can afford to get a Chinese clone and hit the fields.  However, that's anybody, that means that now you end up with people who buy the gun before even knowing how anybody plays the sport (literally), and they go on to cause havoc at the games they attend because they don't call their hits or ignore rules.  When you start to get the games filled with these people, there are some conflicts that arise, and the respectful fun turns into a bad day.  I, personally, would like to see less of these instances, and I believe that the loss of new players who we'll appreciate is acceptable if the numbers of annoying new players drops.  Most people who have been joining in the few years that I've been here have only lasted about a year, if not less.

Just my opinion...

So buying a more expensive AEG makes you a better more respectful player?


It shows the dedication and willingness to purchase a high quality AEG so that in the long run the AEG will pay for itself skirmish after skirmish after skirmish and still run as if it was purchased yesterday. It has nothing to do with the character of the owner who paid hard earned cash for a CA/ G&G/ TM/ or Inokatsu. what he and most members are trying to say here Is that when the clone boom happened many people (mostly kids) bought them and didn't bother to learn how long the hobby has existed and how to properly play it, I remember in my old neighborhood a kid living across the street from my house had purchased a LPEG and was getting his friends to play in our neighborhood causing havoc and seeing cheap bb's all over people's yards and not cleaning them up, scaring the crap out of my neighbors and ruining peoples property. after maybe the first two days an Officer appeared at his parents house and told him he had to stop playing in the residential area, he asked the officer hoe is he suppose to play now, the officer didn't reply.

What they are saying is that ANYBODY can buy a clone because there are some people who wont motivate themselves to buy a high quality AEG. here is a story I want to share to help prove a certain point.


My cousin had bought a CYMa AK-47 and every time i went over there, he and his little "team" would get their AEG's and go play at a field within the residential area itself, which attracted A LOT of attention, after the first time he did when i was over there, I decided to chew out their a***s for being reckless, irresponsible and damaging the image of airsoft, I told him about organized airsoft like TAC, he said he would get his team to go....not one single skirmish yet, and it has been three years.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2009, 04:11:26 PM »
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Heaven forbid my (or anyone else's for that matter) entrance to the sport diminished your ability to play.

It's not the ability to play, but it's the quality of the play.  You see, to put it simply, anybody can afford to get a Chinese clone and hit the fields.  However, that's anybody, that means that now you end up with people who buy the gun before even knowing how anybody plays the sport (literally), and they go on to cause havoc at the games they attend because they don't call their hits or ignore rules.  When you start to get the games filled with these people, there are some conflicts that arise, and the respectful fun turns into a bad day.  I, personally, would like to see less of these instances, and I believe that the loss of new players who we'll appreciate is acceptable if the numbers of annoying new players drops.  Most people who have been joining in the few years that I've been here have only lasted about a year, if not less.

Just my opinion...

So buying a more expensive AEG makes you a better more respectful player?


It shows the dedication and willingness to purchase a high quality AEG so that in the long run the AEG will pay for itself skirmish after skirmish after skirmish and still run as if it was purchased yesterday. It has nothing to do with the character of the owner who paid hard earned cash for a CA/ G&G/ TM/ or Inokatsu. what he and most members are trying to say here Is that when the clone boom happened many people (mostly kids) bought them and didn't bother to learn how long the hobby has existed and how to properly play it, I remember in my old neighborhood a kid living across the street from my house had purchased a LPEG and was getting his friends to play in our neighborhood causing havoc and seeing cheap bb's all over people's yards and not cleaning them up, scaring the crap out of my neighbors and ruining peoples property. after maybe the first two days an Officer appeared at his parents house and told him he had to stop playing in the residential area, he asked the officer hoe is he suppose to play now, the officer didn't reply.

What they are saying is that ANYBODY can buy a clone because there are some people who wont motivate themselves to buy a high quality AEG. here is a story I want to share to help prove a certain point.


My cousin had bought a CYMa AK-47 and every time i went over there, he and his little "team" would get their AEG's and go play at a field within the residential area itself, which attracted A LOT of attention, after the first time he did when i was over there, I decided to chew out their a***s for being reckless, irresponsible and damaging the image of airsoft, I told him about organized airsoft like TAC, he said he would get his team to go....not one single skirmish yet, and it has been three years.
So what did the CYMA have to do with anything?
I have met douchebags wielding CA and Tm just as much as clones. It doesn't matter about the gun, its the player, and his/her decisions that matter.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2009, 04:30:33 PM »
I'm not saying the clone companies started a huge wave of douche bags in airsoft, but it has allowed douche bags to ruin the competition aspect of it. i mean there is no doubt that you and I have encountered these types of players, who have no base of information or knowledge of airsoft and just do it their "way" of playing it. do you kind of understand what I'm trying to say?
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2009, 06:03:56 PM »
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I'm not saying the clone companies started a huge wave of douche bags in airsoft, but it has allowed douche bags to ruin the competition aspect of it. i mean there is no doubt that you and I have encountered these types of players, who have no base of information or knowledge of airsoft and just do it their "way" of playing it. do you kind of understand what I'm trying to say?


 So you're saying the competition is ruined because they have guns that can shoot back now? Everybody starts stupid. If you don't want to play with douchebags it is up to you to go to games where there aren't any (I'm sure there are many great private or otherwise idiot free games out there to either be found or organized), it's not up to anybody to close off the entire hobby to interested newcomers. I don't know if you'd want to do that or not, but there is no reason that people can't at the least divide themselves up according to who they want to play with.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2009, 06:20:45 PM »
Oh noez, I've been insulted by another Bullydog asshat.  Let me clue you in on something.  There have been small airsoft shops since long before there were clones.  I'm sorry if you aren't old enough to remember.  In fact, I would dare say margins would probably go up if clones got killed off.[/quote]

I never said small airsoft shops didn't exist before clones, but i would be willing to bet most would not stay in business in this economy without them. Unfortunately as has been stated over and over again already, idiots are indeed a problem and clones contribute to the problem. The thing some people don't seem to be able to grasp is that few if any people on here have the power to get rid of the clones no matter how much they bitch about them. There will ALWAYS be someone out there looking to make quick money by selling below par products, since airsoft is starting to become more popular the clones will just keep coming when they can't build them in china they will move to thailand or mexico, or anywhere in between
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2009, 06:27:59 PM »
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I'm not saying the clone companies started a huge wave of douche bags in airsoft, but it has allowed douche bags to ruin the competition aspect of it. i mean there is no doubt that you and I have encountered these types of players, who have no base of information or knowledge of airsoft and just do it their "way" of playing it. do you kind of understand what I'm trying to say?


 So you're saying the competition is ruined because they have guns that can shoot back now? Everybody starts stupid. If you don't want to play with douchebags it is up to you to go to games where there aren't any (I'm sure there are many great private or otherwise idiot free games out there to either be found or organized), it's not up to anybody to close off the entire hobby to interested newcomers. I don't know if you'd want to do that or not, but there is no reason that people can't at the least divide themselves up according to who they want to play with.


I'm merely saying that it takes the fun out of it when there's a guy running around shooting everything that moves.  There's no excuse to disregard the set ROE at each event and be an ass to your team mates, I know there's always one or some at each skirmish, but there is NO excuse to not follow regulations, it's there in writing and people who make an ass of themselves at skirmishes shouldn't ruin someone's fun just so they can cheat their way in.
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Re: AGM and CYMA are GONE!!!
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2009, 10:14:59 PM »
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I'm merely saying that it takes the fun out of it when there's a guy running around shooting everything that moves.  There's no excuse to disregard the set ROE at each event and be an ass to your team mates, I know there's always one or some at each skirmish, but there is NO excuse to not follow regulations, it's there in writing and people who make an ass of themselves at skirmishes shouldn't ruin someone's fun just so they can cheat their way in.


And dont forget idiots with 3000k hi-caps spraying and playing like paintballers. lol
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