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Offline Sk8rSeth

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alright guys noob here...
« on: January 20, 2010, 11:45:09 PM »
so im trying to get a moderatly nice gun for cqb AND midrange [ie. fightertown] but im on an extremely limited budget bcuz i currently dont have a job.
i know very little about what is good and what isnt. so any advice would be great!
i have a few guns i would like u guys to give ur opinions on. or possibly suggest ones u might think would b good.
im trying to steer clear of M4s and M16s simply because everyone has one and thats not the kind of guy i am. im not agains an M4 but it would have to b perfectly what i want for me to think about it.
ok heres some links;

obviously the masada, but i cant afford it AND its outa stock everywhere anyways.

TSD Tactical Gen II MK36C;
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=3799
this gun is even a liiiitle bit out of my price range, but i could always save i guess.

JLS SCAR;
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=27744
alot cheaper but idk about quality or anything like that?

JG SIG Sauer 552;
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=29827

KS Full Metal P90 Long;
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=5218


ok so far those are the guns ive got my eye on IN ORDER of how much i want them lol. which do u think is best for both CQB and Midrange? or the best in general.
but obviously that piece of art they call the masada is my dream, i just cant afford it right now and i want to start playing already!  :P

im completely open to suggestions!! if u can make a case for the M4 then i might go with a jg s-systerm or something. just gimme all ur insight!! heh
any help is greatly appreciated!! thanks!
-sk8r
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 01:18:12 AM »
I know this is not what you want to hear , but save your money a little longer. Those guns may shoot a decent FPS but their external quality is pretty weak from what I have seen.

If you are looking for something less than $200, there are alternative choices.

For example: Redwolf makes a custom in house G&P M4a1, It shoots about 300 out of the box but you just need a new spring and you are in the mid 300's which is what CQB is going to limit you on anyways.


http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airso ... odID=28183

The gun will run you about 240 after shipping. You will need a battery and charger but it will accept marui and the standard m4 mags out there.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 05:49:19 AM »
For what it's worth, the TSD/SRC Gen II G36's are pretty solid guns, definetly are bested by the Gen III's (OnTarget Airsoft has them in stock btw, a little more but definetly worth it).  Having owned one myself, and having a team leader who is an avid G36 leg humper, we both agree for G36's the SRC is by far the best on the market in Gen III Format for sure, Gen II is just peaking over the rest.  Dont take it from me though, take it form him, in his life he's owned every major G36 out there and done something stupid with them, and day after day I hear him say how glad he is that I bit the bullet and bought an SRC first, otherwise he would have never given them a chance.

Let me detail why the SRC G36 is the best G36 on the market all around:
-Best plastic body of any G36, of the CA's, TM's, JG's (and E1), and KWA's I've torn down, definetly holds true, my team lead agrees.  The plastic body is unparalleled.  I hate plastic guns and purchased a G36 on a whim, first day when I pulled it out of the box the first words out of my mouth where "F*ck, this thing is SOLID"  For me to admit that about a G36 is pretty impressive.  Lets cover this from a different perspective.  I reviewed the G&P and SRC KV stocks side by side, care to guess which one won?  Unfortunately for G&P it's not them.  On overall quality of build, and material choice both my team lead and I agreed that the SRC KV stock was supperior to the G&P, and concluded that it's the best G36 body on the market right now.

-More metal content than other G36's.  Why is that important? Because G36's are natoriously flexible and some can be quite fragile (CA's bodies come to mind).  The hop up unit is metal, which isnt a real big plus, but at least you know it's not breaking anytime soon and it's a quality hop up unit.  Mine was absolutely amazing.  Metal charging handle, if you are going to be adjusting the hop up as much as I do, you will want one thats metal and wont break!  Metal gasblock and outer barrel.  Some companies have plastic gas blocks and tend to wobble really bad, the SRC wobbles, but not much!  Maybe a mm or so in either direction.

-Solid Internals.  The basis of any gun is it's internals.  I've always operated under the "Change less means more reliable"  I'm a tech, and have been for 4+ years so it's not that I'm affraid of internals, I just see enough everyday that I'm kinda sick of them ya know? Ideally internally on a Gen II there is only one part you should change right away, and thats the orange plastic spring guide, which is very weak.  On the Gen III's you get a bearing spring guide :D  The motor is incredibly powerful, and is probably the most powerfull stock motor on the market right now.  And in general the quality and attention put forth by SRC is pretty impressive.  The rest of the parts are very well made!

-Body pin Spring Detents:  I cant emphasize how much of a PITA the regular body pins are for a G36.  I've had several fall out of clients guns while working on them.  Talk about frustrating.  The SRC's have a small ball bearing detent which prevents them from coming out of the gun.  A nifty feature.

-Overall Price:  For 170-240 (aprox Gen II price vs aprox Gen III price) you get a hell of a deal.  I cant say the 2 hicaps are the best hicaps in the world (I tend to not use hicaps) but they never once misfed on me!

Normally I agree with the whole "Save your money and buy quality" crowd, but I believe the SRC is a quality gun, especially their Gen III G36's which come standard with Bearing Spring Guide, M120 spring in the box to be installed if you choose, 8mm bearings and the same nearly bullet proof internals of the Gen II's.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 11:38:56 AM »
I'm going to jump to the other side of the fence.
I can relate the story of Waywah's G-36... the poor thing...

Starts off with electrical problems caused by wiring being poorly run, getting cut, and shorting.
Once it was back up and shooting, it's reasonable to note that the stock IB/hopup is the worst performing barrel/hopup I've ever seen (Including my bent and burred tightbore)
Followed with the gearbox (still stock) developing stress cracks around the back end (where the spring guide seats).
Then, of course, the compression leaks, gears breaking, and finally it required the gearbox to just be replaced entirely.

I would agree however... that the externals are top notch. I don't know how much better I would say they are than say, Echo 1 externals though... they both seemed pretty solid. You've taken the time to compare the bodies, I would assume you were able to notice a difference... so there ya go. Maybe it was just a gun from hell, but it certainly wasn't a pleasant experience.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 10:03:56 PM »
Quote from: "axisofoil"
I'm going to jump to the other side of the fence.
I can relate the story of Waywah's G-36... the poor thing...

Starts off with electrical problems caused by wiring being poorly run, getting cut, and shorting.
Once it was back up and shooting, it's reasonable to note that the stock IB/hopup is the worst performing barrel/hopup I've ever seen (Including my bent and burred tightbore)
Followed with the gearbox (still stock) developing stress cracks around the back end (where the spring guide seats).
Then, of course, the compression leaks, gears breaking, and finally it required the gearbox to just be replaced entirely.

I would agree however... that the externals are top notch. I don't know how much better I would say they are than say, Echo 1 externals though... they both seemed pretty solid. You've taken the time to compare the bodies, I would assume you were able to notice a difference... so there ya go. Maybe it was just a gun from hell, but it certainly wasn't a pleasant experience.

Sounds a lot like a Lemon from day one!  I can't say mine had any of those issues, nor my team leads.  For that fact neither has the other one at my field.  And I'm sure I could name a good number more that havent developed issues :P  Thats a bit of a moot point though!

It's nice to hear Waywah is still in airsoft at ERAU :)  Do any of the officers talk about the originators at all?  God I miss my days in Mile High!
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 10:33:02 PM »
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It's nice to hear Waywah is still in airsoft at ERAU :)  Do any of the officers talk about the originators at all?  God I miss my days in Mile High!

We will NEVER talk about you. Just so you know. It will lead the nooblets down the wrong path. :P
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2010, 12:12:21 AM »
so whiskey, is this what u would/are recommending?
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info ... s_id=29712

cuz thats about the limit of my budget right now.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2010, 10:29:10 AM »
Thats a Gen II, not full proof, but a solid gun all around :)  That'd work definetly.  I would not buy from Evike, but thats your choice.  Airsoft GI should also have the Gen II's.  

http://www.ontargetairsoft.com has the Gen III's which are much better internally (a few minor but important changes) and still have the solid performance.  They are a slight bit more.

http://ontargetairsoft.com/store/index. ... cts_id=205

225$ for a gun I'd consider bullet proof.  If you can swing the 225$ DO IT, if you can't then the Gen II will serve you well, just be advised that the spring guide will eventually break and need replacing.  Not a huge deal though :)

Rofl, Axis... wrong path :P You mean the path to wasting lots of money on a hobby that I couldnt get half of the cost back if I were to sell it all off? Or you mean the path of utterly destroying all opposition on the field?  :twisted:
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2010, 10:33:36 AM »
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Rofl, Axis... wrong path :P You mean the path to wasting lots of money on a hobby that I couldnt get half of the cost back if I were to sell it all off? Or you mean the path of utterly destroying all opposition on the field?  :twisted:
I mean the path of liking src. :P

Utterly destroying all opposition is MHA's true calling, I don't know if you've heard. :twisted:.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 10:39:14 AM »
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Rofl, Axis... wrong path :P You mean the path to wasting lots of money on a hobby that I couldnt get half of the cost back if I were to sell it all off? Or you mean the path of utterly destroying all opposition on the field?  :twisted:
I mean the path of liking src. :P

Utterly destroying all opposition is MHA's true calling, I don't know if you've heard. :twisted:.

As with every brand, if you base a brand's quality on one small incident it's truely a fallacy.  It's different if you are basing it off the majority of their products, but it sounds like Waywah got a lemon and should have returned it for another.  My SRC suffered from none of those problems, nor did a whole bunch of others that people bought here in Nebraska.  Either that or he bought a Gen I SRC which truely did kinda suck...
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2010, 02:05:53 PM »
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Rofl, Axis... wrong path :P You mean the path to wasting lots of money on a hobby that I couldnt get half of the cost back if I were to sell it all off? Or you mean the path of utterly destroying all opposition on the field?  :twisted:
I mean the path of liking src. :P

Utterly destroying all opposition is MHA's true calling, I don't know if you've heard. :twisted:.

As with every brand, if you base a brand's quality on one small incident it's truely a fallacy.  It's different if you are basing it off the majority of their products, but it sounds like Waywah got a lemon and should have returned it for another.  My SRC suffered from none of those problems, nor did a whole bunch of others that people bought here in Nebraska.  Either that or he bought a Gen I SRC which truely did kinda suck...

He always gets lemons. It's just left me with a bad taste in my mouth from SRC after watching him struggle sooooo much for a gun that never really performed well. I don't doubt that they have gotten better, or that it was a lemon, since they are still in business. Fallacious or not, that's my feelings on the subject of SRC.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2010, 06:26:09 PM »
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He always gets lemons. It's just left me with a bad taste in my mouth from SRC after watching him struggle sooooo much for a gun that never really performed well. I don't doubt that they have gotten better, or that it was a lemon, since they are still in business. Fallacious or not, that's my feelings on the subject of SRC.
Would have to agree with Axis on this. SRC is nothing but trouble. i use to have an SRC and it was one problem after  another.
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Re: alright guys noob here...
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2010, 08:11:52 PM »
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He always gets lemons. It's just left me with a bad taste in my mouth from SRC after watching him struggle sooooo much for a gun that never really performed well. I don't doubt that they have gotten better, or that it was a lemon, since they are still in business. Fallacious or not, that's my feelings on the subject of SRC.
Would have to agree with Axis on this. SRC is nothing but trouble. i use to have an SRC and it was one problem after  another.

Your vague post is very vague... I've had trouble with GM rental vehicles, therefore all GM product sucks... :roll:

Catch my point?  Thoughtso...

I also hate to break it to you, but to almost exactly drop in CA for SRC, I can say the same statement about a company that many people her absolutely LOVE.  But of hte three CA AEG's I've owned, NONE worked correctly out of the box... all of these purchased post 2007.  2 CA M14's one in National Match Length the other in Scout Length, neither could pull an M120 spring reliably on an 8.4v Large battery that cycled a whole slew of other guns of mine with heavier springs than an M120 spring... I also found that in the Scout length that CA put White Lithium grease on the rails for the trigger contacts, well whoever it was that put it there must have had ham hands because they got that crap all over the trigger contacts, and of course, they failed.  My other gun was a CA M15A4 SPR, that gun was pure problem since day one.  It never worked correctly, and I ofcourse, through recommendation of many of the senior members here on AA did the M120 and go and it too failed.  The same reason as the Scout, the idiots at CA greased the trigger contacts... I ended up replacing them and then selling the gun after being so damn frustrated with it.  Even after spending 100$ in barrel forward upgrades it was still inaccurate as shit.

I can't say the same for my SRC, which has been problem free since I purchased it.  I replaced the parts that where known to break (Spring Guide) and upgraded barrel and hop up unit and spring and it's been going strong since.  It ran for a good portion of it's life on an 11.1v LiPo with the SW-Evolution MOSFET system in it and has never given me greif.  My Team Lead's Gen III SRC went for 25,000 rounds on the same 11.1v LiPo without a hiccup.  Then one day it stripped it's piston when he plugged in his massive 17v NiMH.  As for the rest of the handfull or so SRC's here in Nebraska, only one has had problems but they where related to the hop up unit, and it's a Gen I SRC.  He did replace the piston once after about 150,000 rounds.  Thats not too shabby if you ask me :P

So rather than post vague accusations, at least explain what problems you had... Maybe TSD just hates Arizona, that certainly would explain why everyone hates ICS and SRC guns.
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