Accuracy

[Rako]

So, Ive been wanting better accuracy from my gun.  The things ive heard of is a tightbore, a hop up, and a hop up nub.  Which one would be more effective?  and is there something else?

[axisofoil]

A Hopup bucking helps.
Knowing how to shoot helps.

In order of importance: (in my opinion)
1. User (if you can't hit a target, neither can the gun)
2. Hopup bucking/nub
3. Hopup unit
4. Airseal throughout the gearbox, gearbox-hopup connection, and hopup-barrel. Also, a quality, consistent spring helps here too.
5. Barrel

[Rako]

Haha, i agree.  I know its not my aim, Im good with a rifle.  Thanks for the list, ill look into those.  And in 5, by barrel, you mean a tightbore right?

P.S.  I love how i always get such quick replies here.  Ive been on forums where it takes days to get just 1...

[TheBoy988]

Number 5 is indeed a TBB. Also something to consider, airsoft guns and fire arms hardly shoot alike. Sure you hold them in the same fashion but when it comes down to it you have to get some practice in. Start off by standing still and hitting targets till you get a grouping you like. Then start move and shoot drills till you get a grouping you like. After you know how your gun shoots then start upgrading. You'll be able to actually tell if your accuracy is improving that way.

[Rako]

Number 5 is indeed a TBB. Also something to consider, airsoft guns and fire arms hardly shoot alike. Sure you hold them in the same fashion but when it comes down to it you have to get some practice in. Start off by standing still and hitting targets till you get a grouping you like. Then start move and shoot drills till you get a grouping you like. After you know how your gun shoots then start upgrading. You'll be able to actually tell if your accuracy is improving that way.

Yea, thats a good point.  If only BBs would just fly like a bullet.  So far ive only shot at birds, but Ill try that.

[axisofoil]

Yea, thats a good point.  If only BBs would just fly like a bullet.  So far ive only shot at birds, but Ill try that.

Why? What did the birds do to you? Did you eat them? Did they shoot you first?

But yeah, airsoft and real steel are extremely different. They both have triggers and barrels. That's really about as far as it goes. lol.

And, I didn't necessarily mean a tightbore. A crap tightbore would be outperformed by a decent quality loosebore any day. That being said, I run 6.03's and 6.01's in my guns. A High quality tightbore such as a prometheus or DBC (I have also had really good luck with the airsoftgi brand 6.01's) will give you the best performance once everything else is working really well. But unless your barrel is warped or burred, a better hopup bucking and nub, or maybe a better hopup unit, along with making sure all your airseal components are in good shape will have a greater effect than ANY barrel upgrade.


Also, as far as user practice, what Chip said is spot on. Of course, once you have those basics down, you should also practice shooting offhand, crouched, prone, crouch-running, while using a radio, pistol accuracy during a spring, etc. Basically any possible scenario you can ever think about, and then a few more.

What none of these emulate is a "high pressure environment" like you would see in a game. I put those in quotes because from my understanding (Not experience), real combat is significantly more stressful. But if you have the drills drilled into your brain, then it's easier to emulate them through muscle memory than it is if you've just done them once or twice.

[Rako]

The birds eat the pig feed.  And that stuffs not cheap.  :x

But yea, thanks for the info.  my guns an echo 1, it probably doesnt have the best hop up unit ever.  Ill try those things out.

[stealthmaster14]

BBs affect accuracy the most.  In my experience BB King bio bbs>G&G/Goldenball>KSC>TSD. (TSDs are horrible in terms of performance)

You don't need to replace your hop up chamber, just get a Systema bucking and a SCS. (do not get a PCS, that is an illegal copy of Shredder's design)

Adding a SCS and Systema bucking increases accuracy tremendously, a lot more than a tightbore does.  

http://s299224389.e-shop.info/shop/arti ... id%3D11%26

They are out of Systema buckings currently.

[VTT]

I switched from .2g BB's to heavier BB's. I found that .25g BB's work a lot better for me and provide a lot more accuracy. Wind that you may not feel can still affect a BB a lot. I have an Echo1 as well and while I can't hit a quarter from 200 feet, I can still hit a person pretty easily. And sometimes a small amount of spread can help as well.

The three most significant differences I saw were in tight bore barrels, heavier BB's, and getting glasses instead of a full face mask. A full face mask makes everything more difficult including looking down sights.

[MLA PRO]

getting glasses instead of a full face mask. A full face mask makes everything more difficult including looking down sights.

Hes right. Some places dont allow you to use just glasses unless youre an adult.
 This is my setup, it looks awesome, I get a ton of comments on it, and it works perfectly:

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_154&products_id=29010
 with this mask:
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=29160
 And as far as an upgrade goes, get a Madbull, Prometheus, ASGI TBB and a new, better bucking preferably Systema.

[axisofoil]

Just know that systema buckings won't fit tightly on an ASGI barrel. The buckings are for normal barrels, and ASGI's are slighly smaller on the OUTSIDE of the barrel. They fit loosely in most buckings.

And, I personally hate systema buckings because they wear out fast and don't deal with cold weather well, which is actually a big deal up here in Prescott.

[VTT]

Yes, wearing just glasses can come at a high price. I have been hit in the tooth and the gums. Luckily neither was permanently damaging though. I found that once i tossed the mask though, I was no longer dealing with fog, inability to use sights, and bad peripheral view. That alone made me play extremely better.

If you already use glasses and only want to upgrade the gun, I would mainly suggest a tight bore barrel and a new hop-up. Unless your stock barrel is a 6.10mm barrel, a 6.03mm barrel will not make a huge difference. My standards of a huge difference may be different from other people's standards but in my opinion, a BB is never going to be as accurate as you want it to be.

Another thing is the type of airsoft gun you own. If you have something small like an Mp5 or something similar, I would almost recommend buying a new gun if you really want a big difference in accuracy. I may be wrong on this but from my experience, switching to a longer gun made the biggest difference out of anything. By swtiching from an Ak47 Beta Spetsnaz to an AKM, my range has almost doubled. Range and accuracy almost go hand and hand if you are playing outdoors.

[Rako]

I switched from .2g BB's to heavier BB's. I found that .25g BB's work a lot better for me and provide a lot more accuracy.

Ill get those next time.  Ive already seen a big difference between .2s and .23s.

And MLA pro, Ive already got a similar setup, a shemagh w/ flakjaks.

And for the barrel, its the standard M4 barrel(363, i think)  with a screw-on end thing w/ a flashhider.  the guns pretty long, its the Echo 1 M8A3


So far, it seems the major things i should get are a a hop up bucking and nub, and a tightbore.

[Whiskey11]

I switched from .2g BB's to heavier BB's. I found that .25g BB's work a lot better for me and provide a lot more accuracy.

Ill get those next time.  Ive already seen a big difference between .2s and .23s.

And MLA pro, Ive already got a similar setup, a shemagh w/ flakjaks.

And for the barrel, its the standard M4 barrel(363, i think)  with a screw-on end thing w/ a flashhider.  the guns pretty long, its the Echo 1 M8A3


So far, it seems the major things i should get are a a hop up bucking and nub, and a tightbore.

.25's make a HUGE difference over both .20's and .23's.  I never used to think that untill I started using them.  When your gun shoots around 360-375 w/ .25's .25's are godsends.  

I have used TSD .28's, I currently use them in my G&G M14 with mixed results.  I'm not exactly impressed by the performance of them over my AE .25's and will not use them again.

As for BB's, AE .25's are beautifull BB's, cheap and work great.  I use them religiously.

One thing that was mentioned but not really explained was the airseal department.  If you chrono your AEG out of 20 shots whats the average FPS? And whats the deviation from max to min?  I can guarentee you that if your deviation is more than +/-4 FPS you will have noticably large groupings at range.  Spending some time minimizing FPS Variation will drop grouping sizes drastically.  +/-2 and 3 FPS is acheivable in even a full auto capable AEG, so dont let people disuade you from that goal.  Just know it's not all expensive either.  A #14 O-ring provides consistent FPS when paired with a quality spring and good airseal.

A good Tightbore, Hop Up Bucking and Nub works wonders.  G&G Green + SCS Concave Nub and stock G&G 6.04 makes my UMP a laser even with the 200mm barrel.  I'm still out ranging and have better accuracy than some of the M4 users on the field which is slightly pathetic.  But I'm one of the few peeps in Nebraska who knows how to fine tune an AEG to get the best accuracy

Otherwise, a G&G Green or Guarder Black with an H nub will be an improvement over the stock system too!  Depending on the AEG model and Brand a new hop up unit may be in order too... particularly if you have a CA AR15 variant you may wish to replace the hop up unit... yesterday...

[Rako]

Great, thanks Whiskey.  Ive been using TSD BBS(cheapest i could find), so thats part of my problem too.