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M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« on: July 09, 2010, 10:44:44 PM »
I came across this article, having read this, it disturbs me a little.

http://www.military.com/news/article/co ... ement.html

what are your opinions?
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 04:23:52 AM »
I'm confused as to why we are replacing SAW's with a regular rifle.  This makes no sense in my mind.  I can't say I have any experience shooting a 249, but I would assume they would also be more accurate if you aren't using them for heavy sustained fire....
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 05:59:33 AM »
Saw the IAR on futureweapons a long time ago. It fires from the open bolt and takes m4 mags. Also since it looks like a 16 gunners won't be targeted as much because they don't think they're as much a threat. That's what FW said.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 09:16:26 AM »
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Saw the IAR on futureweapons a long time ago. It fires from the open bolt and takes m4 mags. Also since it looks like a 16 gunners won't be targeted as much because they don't think they're as much a threat. That's what FW said.

Did you read the article?  I believe the IAR you are talking about is the LWRC as the 416 fires from a closed bolt.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 02:42:14 PM »
Read that it said infantry automatic rifle and assumed they meant the lWRC.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 04:14:45 PM »
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Saw the IAR on futureweapons a long time ago. It fires from the open bolt and takes m4 mags. Also since it looks like a 16 gunners won't be targeted as much because they don't think they're as much a threat. That's what FW said.


I saw the same episode. it supposedly has the same ROF as the saw. as well as the same caliber. its suppose to according to what was said was that it eliminated the problem of the mag belts and a few other problems
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 07:15:06 PM »
Drop a Beta C-Mag on it and it will have the same ammo capacity of a SAW and will be lighter and more manuverable.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 08:34:52 PM »
But we are talking about the HK416 not the LWRC which makes a big difference.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2010, 01:39:27 AM »
They chose the HK IAR because it flat out outperformed the other entrants in every category, met or exceeded every standard and kept it lightweight. Think about it this way, with the urban combat the troop are seeing today the M249 can be a hassle in closer quarters. the lighter, 16.5" barreled M27 will be easier to carry and still be able to provide sustained fire. there will be higher volume magazines for it later, for instance Magpul just put in a patent for a quad stack magazine, other manufacturers should soon follow to try to get the contract. I think of this as a good thing, it seems the brass is looking out for it's men by giving them something that is proven to work (the 416 has been fielded for years) as opposed to army trials where they stuck with Colt's M4, the poorest performing weapon of the bunch in their testing, making it seem like someone up top had a hand in Colt's pocket after the large order was placed.

edit: barrels were not feet long LOL
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2010, 02:05:54 AM »
Sustained fire to what extent?  Without a swappable barrel and with a closed bolt, I would think it would be rather limited (comparatively).  I'm not trying to say there aren't cases where it makes more sense to use the M27 instead of a M249 but we are talking about flat out replacing them.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 03:13:48 AM »
they are not replacing them, but rather phasing them down as the roles are changing. The requirement to be magazine fed was specifically from the Marines.. As for the closed bolt, it's not the first support weapon to operate from a closed bolt. The short lived MG36 operated from a closed bolt, infact the piston system is pulled basically from the G36, the 416 and g36 actually share the same piston. The standard barrel actually maintained the sustained ROF without cookoff and met the service life specified by the requirements.
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2011, 08:26:43 PM »
I just think personally think, we should change over to H&K. Use all their shit. Seriously.. I understand money is an issue, but if it wasn't.. don't you agree? Yay or Nay?
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2011, 08:46:54 PM »
This is the Future Weapons Video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YzGzeLh3mc
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2011, 08:23:06 AM »
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The IAR - Infantry Automatic Rifle program was originally initiated by US Marine Corps (USMC) in an apparent intent to replace aging M249 SAW light machine guns in their "automatic rifle" (squad automatic) role. USMC sought lighter and more maneuverable weapon, still capable of at least some sustained firepower. Original contenders included guns from FN, Colt and Heckler-Koch, as well as some other, lesser known names. After extensive trials in 2009 USMC finally selected the HK IAR rifle, which, in fact, is no more that heavy-barreled version of their HK 416 automatic carbine (assault rifle), and it hardly looks like adequate replacement for a dedicated squad automatic weapon with belt feed and quick-change barrel. By all accounts, it looks like USMC played the whole IAR trick to get the replacement for their M4 carbines without entering the political hassle and budgetary debates.

Saw that, thought I'd share it.  It's all speculation, but possible I suppose?
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Re: M27 ( HK416 variant) use in the Marine Corps.
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2011, 12:09:53 AM »
m249 objective when in doubt fill the air with lead
new weapon objective same rof better accuracy, better manueverability
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