AK vs AR

[Renengan]

title says it all...

my opinion:

Both are great weapons and deserve remorse for serving the two super powers on our planet, but I have to go with the AK =P~ . It's much more reliable, very easy to disassemble and clean, throws a bigger bullet, I personally like the feel better than an AR, and when the zombies come or if the world goes into anarchy, what type of ammo, parts, and replacements will be most common in the world? My only gripes with Ar15s is the gas system, bullet (too small .003mm bigger than a .22), and the bolt disassembly (to complicated in my opinion). I don't know what Eugene Stoner was thinking when he designed the "direct gas system" :roll:  (gas is diverted directly into the bolt to propel it back).

P.S. Ar15s are very accurate and can hit a target from very far away (around EDITED>500m).
AK47s are not as accurate, but still get the job done (based on experience on the range). Contrary to popular belief, they are not inaccurate. That statement was based of soldiers watching untrained conscripts shoot randomly at them and failing to put a bullet anywhere near them.

[I Slap Fat Kids]

when the zombies come or if the world goes into anarchy, what type of ammo, parts, and replacements will be most common in the world?

The AK may be the most common rifle in the world, but you're more likely to find AR components, let alone automatic ones, and ammo in your vicinity, unless you happen to get stuck in another part of the world during a zombie apocalypse.

I guess you could have them shipped to you from anarchists overseas... :-k

Note: I'm not trying to turn this into an apocalyptic zombie debate, I'm just saying that it would be easier to replace and keep stocked on ammo for an AR in North America.  Let's keep it in-topic here.

[Renengan]

i suppose... but if you go down to Mexico you will fine an abundance of AKs. I do agree in the US u will find more AR parts, but if you go to almost any other country (besides maybe Canada and the UK) you will find more AKs than ARs. even in the American continents...

[I Slap Fat Kids]

even in the American continents...

I know, that's why I said North America.

[Ganef]

Get both. I did.

[Dilligaf]

first off its further than 300 meters try 500 meters on point target and 800m(iron sights) on an area target the only difference between the two in my opinion is roles what role do you want to play do you want to be fighting house to house with an ar15 maybe but more important do you want to be 500+ meters out with an ak when your enemy has an ar15 and its not that the aks arent designed to go the difference its that the round 7.62 is literally too heavy and just drops out of the sky and thats why they have a bad rap at longer distances. the conscripts werent untrained just poorly equiped for the role they were trying to pull off... watch videos from africa when this crazy drugged out mindwashed "freedom fighter" fills the air with led and next thing you know he is getting picked off from some crazy ass distance by a marine with his m-4/m-16 variant. how else do you think the delta force pertrade in black hawk down was able to hold off the malitia for so long.... they had a team each of them had their own role and knew the limits of their enemies and thats what made them bad asses not the weapons...

[Renengan]

first off its further than 300 meters try 500 meters on point target and 800m(iron sights) on an area target the only difference between the two in my opinion is roles what role do you want to play do you want to be fighting house to house with an ar15 maybe but more important do you want to be 500+ meters out with an ak when your enemy has an ar15 and its not that the aks arent designed to go the difference its that the round 7.62 is literally too heavy and just drops out of the sky and thats why they have a bad rap at longer distances. the conscripts werent untrained just poorly equiped for the role they were trying to pull off... watch videos from africa when this crazy drugged out mindwashed "freedom fighter" fills the air with led and next thing you know he is getting picked off from some crazy ass distance by a marine with his m-4/m-16 variant. how else do you think the delta force pertrade in black hawk down was able to hold off the malitia for so long.... they had a team each of them had their own role and knew the limits of their enemies and thats what made them bad asses not the weapons...

sry ive always hear 300m.  and yes MOST conscripts and freedom fighters have limited if not no training. 7.62mm does in fact go further than .223. Heavier bullets go the farthest, Thats y most long range sniper rifles are large caliber weapons (.50, .408, .416, ect.) i know there are other factors in that but thats not the point. so 7.62x39 has the capability to go farther but it wont be very accurate. and Delta force did such a beast job @ black hawk down because they are elite and the militia were not properly trained. its like putting a MMA fighter against a middle school wrestler...

[XavierMace]

It doesn't matter if you bullet could circle the earth if you can't hit a barn with it.  That's why they quote EFFECTIVE range, not maximum range.  If the AK can't hit the target, it doesn't matter that the bullet will go further unless your intentions is to hit bystanders.

[SARC]

first off its further than 300 meters try 500 meters on point target and 800m(iron sights) on an area target the only difference between the two in my opinion is roles what role do you want to play do you want to be fighting house to house with an ar15 maybe but more important do you want to be 500+ meters out with an ak when your enemy has an ar15 and its not that the aks arent designed to go the difference its that the round 7.62 is literally too heavy and just drops out of the sky and thats why they have a bad rap at longer distances. the conscripts werent untrained just poorly equiped for the role they were trying to pull off... watch videos from africa when this crazy drugged out mindwashed "freedom fighter" fills the air with led and next thing you know he is getting picked off from some crazy ass distance by a marine with his m-4/m-16 variant. how else do you think the delta force pertrade in black hawk down was able to hold off the malitia for so long.... they had a team each of them had their own role and knew the limits of their enemies and thats what made them bad asses not the weapons...

sry ive always hear 300m.  and yes MOST conscripts and freedom fighters have limited if not no training. 7.62mm does in fact go further than .223. Heavier bullets go the farthest, Thats y most long range sniper rifles are large caliber weapons (.50, .408, .416, ect.) i know there are other factors in that but thats not the point. so 7.62x39 has the capability to go farther but it wont be very accurate. and Delta force did such a beast job @ black hawk down because they are elite and the militia were not properly trained. its like putting a MMA fighter against a middle school wrestler...

Most long range sniper rifles are not chambered in those calibers(except in stupid fucking video games) being that the .50 etc are actually anti materiel rifles.  Most systems are chambered in and around .30 cal.  The .50 is used in a relatively limited number in our military as compared to the .30 cal M24, M40, M110, etc used by our forces.  That is primarily due to portability of the platform, ammunition and cost.

On topic, the AR is a superior platform due to accuracy of the round. The USMC has always trained their riflemen, ie. all hands, to effectively engage targets out to 500m with iron sights.  I own, and shoot often, both platforms and am a pretty good shot, the AR wins out hands down each time. The modularity and adaptability of the AR also make it a winner over the AK. Availability of components world wide is fine for either.  I don't plan on being in the middle east, Africa, or any other fucked up part of the world when the zombies attack anyhow.

[Renengan]

first off its further than 300 meters try 500 meters on point target and 800m(iron sights) on an area target the only difference between the two in my opinion is roles what role do you want to play do you want to be fighting house to house with an ar15 maybe but more important do you want to be 500+ meters out with an ak when your enemy has an ar15 and its not that the aks arent designed to go the difference its that the round 7.62 is literally too heavy and just drops out of the sky and thats why they have a bad rap at longer distances. the conscripts werent untrained just poorly equiped for the role they were trying to pull off... watch videos from africa when this crazy drugged out mindwashed "freedom fighter" fills the air with led and next thing you know he is getting picked off from some crazy ass distance by a marine with his m-4/m-16 variant. how else do you think the delta force pertrade in black hawk down was able to hold off the malitia for so long.... they had a team each of them had their own role and knew the limits of their enemies and thats what made them bad asses not the weapons...

That's y I said long range (out to a mile or more) most modern snipers are in .308 and .338. P.S. The longest sniper kill was from a .50cal... Not a .308
sry ive always hear 300m.  and yes MOST conscripts and freedom fighters have limited if not no training. 7.62mm does in fact go further than .223. Heavier bullets go the farthest, Thats y most long range sniper rifles are large caliber weapons (.50, .408, .416, ect.) i know there are other factors in that but thats not the point. so 7.62x39 has the capability to go farther but it wont be very accurate. and Delta force did such a beast job @ black hawk down because they are elite and the militia were not properly trained. its like putting a MMA fighter against a middle school wrestler...

Most long range sniper rifles are not chambered in those calibers(except in stupid fucking video games) being that the .50 etc are actually anti materiel rifles.  Most systems are chambered in and around .30 cal.  The .50 is used in a relatively limited number in our military as compared to the .30 cal M24, M40, M110, etc used by our forces.  That is primarily due to portability of the platform, ammunition and cost.

On topic, the AR is a superior platform due to accuracy of the round. The USMC has always trained their riflemen, ie. all hands, to effectively engage targets out to 500m with iron sights.  I own, and shoot often, both platforms and am a pretty good shot, the AR wins out hands down each time. The modularity and adaptability of the AR also make it a winner over the AK. Availability of components world wide is fine for either.  I don't plan on being in the middle east, Africa, or any other fucked up part of the world when the zombies attack anyhow.

[Renengan]

When I say long range i mean out to a mile or more... EDITED>Most urban snipers are in .308, .338, and 7.62x54 (for the russians  / ).... P.S. The longest sniper kill was from a .50cal... Not a .308. Africa and Asia arent the only continents that have an abundace of AKs. Go down south a little bit and ull find plenty. And yes, there are more AKs than ARs in Central America and South America... we are really the only country that has the AR  as the most common domestic rifle... most others have Kalashnikovs. As I said before, ARs are more accurate and do reach farther, but in modern combat areas and with the zombiez, most engagements are pretty damn close (according to my Iraq War veteran stepfather) so long range capability is useful but not totally necessary. (probably gonna get my ass bitten off for that last statment #-o )lol

[XavierMace]

That's y I said long range (out to a mile or more)! Wost urban snipers are in .308, .338, and 7.62x54 (for the russians  / ).... P.S. The longest sniper kill was from a .50cal... Not a .308. Africa and Asia arent the only continents that have an abundace of AKs. Go down south a little bit and ull find plenty. And yes, there are more AKs than ARs in Central America and South America... we are really the only country that has the AR  as the most common domestic rifle... most others have Kalashnikovs. As I said before, ARs are more accurate and do reach farther, but in modern combat areas and with the zombiez, most engagements are pretty damn close (according to my Iraq War veteran stepfather) so long range capability is useful but not totally necessary. (probably gonna get my ass bitten off for that last statment #-o )lol

No in fact the longest recorded sniper kill was in fact using .338.  Come back when you actually know what you are talking about.

[Renengan]

That's y I said long range (out to a mile or more)! Wost urban snipers are in .308, .338, and 7.62x54 (for the russians  / ).... P.S. The longest sniper kill was from a .50cal... Not a .308. Africa and Asia arent the only continents that have an abundace of AKs. Go down south a little bit and ull find plenty. And yes, there are more AKs than ARs in Central America and South America... we are really the only country that has the AR  as the most common domestic rifle... most others have Kalashnikovs. As I said before, ARs are more accurate and do reach farther, but in modern combat areas and with the zombiez, most engagements are pretty damn close (according to my Iraq War veteran stepfather) so long range capability is useful but not totally necessary. (probably gonna get my ass bitten off for that last statment #-o )lol

 I guess ur right... I just looked that up... I thought it was the dude with the Tac50 that had it... srry bout that... (dont have to be mean jeeze)

[SARC]

That's y I said long range (out to a mile or more)! Wost urban snipers are in .308, .338, and 7.62x54 (for the russians  / ).... P.S. The longest sniper kill was from a .50cal... Not a .308. Africa and Asia arent the only continents that have an abundace of AKs. Go down south a little bit and ull find plenty. And yes, there are more AKs than ARs in Central America and South America... we are really the only country that has the AR  as the most common domestic rifle... most others have Kalashnikovs. As I said before, ARs are more accurate and do reach farther, but in modern combat areas and with the zombiez, most engagements are pretty damn close (according to my Iraq War veteran stepfather) so long range capability is useful but not totally necessary. (probably gonna get my ass bitten off for that last statment #-o )lol

No in fact the longest recorded sniper kill was in fact using .338.  Come back when you actually know what you are talking about.

How are the worst urban platforms .308 and .338?  The .308win is very effective out to 1000yards and the .338 is good over a mile.  Not to mention the portability of the platform for an urban environmet.  In and out of buildings, up and down stairs etc.  Stop getting your info from video games.  The longest shot was recently in Afghanistan by Craig Harrison, Corporal of the Horse, a member of the Household Cavalry, British Armed Forces.  The distance was 2707m with an Accuracy International AW.338 Lapua Magnum.

If the zombies get to close I just put a shorter upper on my AR.  How bout' a different caliber say 6.8spc or .50 beowulf, hmmmmmmmmm,the options are neigh on endless.

[Renengan]

i menat to say MOST! not worst ... srry about that im doin this on my itouch so bear with me... and iwould want to go with a saiga12 for zombiez anyway, if i had to get a rifle i would go with an ak cause once u chamber a round, u have a 30rnd mag of 7.62x39 ROCK N ROLL! notice how i said 30 rnds while a .50 beawulf only holds 10 and many 6.8 rifles hold 20 (in comparison to the size of standard STANAG mags) and 7.62x39 is bigger than 6.8 soooooo... yea...  

P.S. Im a Kalashnikov fanboy  =D> you dont need a shorter upper for an AK because you can get one with a folding stock or a bullpup version   (cant on an AR)  

P.P.S  I dont play video gamez that often... airsoft and tactical training w/ my uncle are my fav FPSs  :roll: