"Bang-Bang!" Rule

[spazz]

you ever see me on the field, DON'T bang bang/surrender me. shoot me while you got the chance.
it lets me know that i wasnt paying attention. if i wasnt looking then i deserve to get shot.
depending on the situation ill fallow the parlay rule, but only if its a last result kind of thing.
i go to games to shoot and get shot. i expect to come home with a few marks. if you play with me you allready know this.

[Rockit]

I'm of the same opinion. If I didn't want to get hit with BBs, I would stay home and play Xbox.

[SpiritOfSimo]

if i wasnt looking then i deserve to get shot.
depending on the situation ill fallow the parlay rule, but only if its a last result kind of thing.

While I support the surrender option, taking the shot instead of forcing someone to surrender is also an acceptable way to prevent confusion or argument.

Think about this scenario: You come up behind two to three bad guys, with their attentions drawn away from you. You are close, so you could make them surrender or try to shoot them:

1. If you pull out your pistol and point it at them and simply say "Bang!" as you move from target to target, their ears/brains will probably not process what's going on fast enough to turn around and defend themselves.

2. Now try the other method of actually shooting them; your gun will make a more alarming, more distinguishable sound than simply saying "bang", and chances are that at least one of them will be able to return fire, depending on the spacing between them.

Surrender rules are appropriate for a 1 on 1 encounter with clear advantage, but a single man cannot claim multiple surrender kills.

[Rockit]

In this ^ scenario I would probably step back far enough and spray the lot. No confusion. No time to react.

[Uchiha Itachi]

I always use the rule. It's called being a responsible player.

I routinely get so close I can put a barrel into their faces. So i don't shoot given the high number of people that don't wear face protection. I'm not causing permanent damage over a stupid BB game. I've had people argue with me and I've simply told them to "gtf off the field. You died so deal with it" nor will I count their turn/spray. They are DEAD and the dead have no right to argue. It's not my fault they won't follow the rules and I'm not wasting my time with them. 

Now I have shot people that have tried to surrender me at Vanguard. I will not surrender from 15 feet away through 2 door ways while facing my attacker.

[VangaurdPlaya]

I use the surrender rule if they are within 10 feet and are unaware that i am there.

[Bowser]

Surrender rules are appropriate for a 1 on 1 encounter with clear advantage, but a single man cannot claim multiple surrender kills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZal5Dz2N9w

Here were a bunch of people that disagree.

I wasn't sticking around to count them all, because their respawn was only a few feet away.

[Rockit]

Ha! Good job, kid!

[ThatGuy]

Bang bang is for one person 
I don't think there's a gang bang rule

[poinierdude]

Just do a 1 shot, no need to risk being shot, no need to full auto.

[Rockit]

Bang bang is for one person 
I don't think there's a gang bang rule

=b  like

[tombomb]

Bang bang is for one person 
I don't think there's a gang bang rule

Surrender rules are appropriate for a 1 on 1 encounter with clear advantage, but a single man cannot claim multiple surrender kills.

Tell that to the refs who run Vanguard.  I quit playing there because of their "surrender" rules.  You have a noob with a gas pistol going room to room shouting "surrender" in each room he enters.  I shoot him with my AK.  He tells the ref that I shot him after telling the four of us in the room to surrender, the ref tells me that the whole room has to surrender when someone shouts that B.S.

Look, I paid $20 to play CQB airsoft, not play a shouting match.

I did do a surrender once to somebody there where I put the barrel of my SPAS 12 to their back and yelled surrender.  Okay that's legit, but having a gas pistol and telling 4 guys with AEGs in room to surrender is totally asinine.  Granted he may of gotten one of us 4 out, but I was easily able to take him down so he wasn't in the proper position to call surrender.

And don't get me started about "Team VIP" blatantly not calling their hits and doing the "gangbang" surrender tactics of telling "rooms" to surrender.

Anyways here is a 42 second POV VIDEO of a "Gangbang Surrender" that's commonplace at Vanguard...  http://youtu.be/YZal5Dz2N9w

As a note this video is of a different guy than the one I mentioned earlier in this post, but it's a perfect illustration of what goes on there.

Whoever shouts "Surrender" the fastest wins the match at Vanguard.

I'm not posting this to knock down Vanguard because it is a good field, but that place isn't for me personally because I don't like to play that way and I agree with the others I quoted on this AA forum on how the surrender rule shall be implemented.  Having "rooms" surrender is not very fun.  I prefer to 'nade a room and rush in there and pick off the survivors than just to shout "surrender" through a hole in the wall.

[Shadow]

I find this somewhat amusing.  IMO, following the BangBang rule is voluntary for both sides.  It gives the aggressor an opportunity to announce his surprise on a defender without hitting him at such a close range.  However, at the same time, the defender doesn't always have to abide by it.  Shoot first (preferably somewhere that doesn't hurt much) and ask questions later.  The video clip above is a perfect example of how NOT to use the BangBang rule.  Despite the fact that the other team did not cover their corners or entry points, only a grenade could have taken out that many people in a single sweep.  Don't agree?  Pause that video and count how many defenders there were in that room and how they were stacked.  Some would have been shielded by their teammates...

If that kid was calling that entire room to surrender and I was in there in a defended corner, he'd get himself into a firefight.  Now, if I was the only one in there and I was out in the open, that's a different story.

That's just simple abuse of the BangBang rule, which is meant to be a safety precaution... not a "I-got-10-knife-kills-in-3-seconds" paintball-style move.

[deathbydanish]

I find this somewhat amusing.  IMO, following the BangBang rule is voluntary for both sides.  It gives the aggressor an opportunity to announce his surprise on a defender without hitting him at such a close range.  However, at the same time, the defender doesn't always have to abide by it.  Shoot first (preferably somewhere that doesn't hurt much) and ask questions later.  The video clip above is a perfect example of how NOT to use the BangBang rule.  Despite the fact that the other team did not cover their corners or entry points, only a grenade could have taken out that many people in a single sweep.  Don't agree?  Pause that video and count how many defenders there were in that room and how they were stacked.  Some would have been shielded by their teammates...

If that kid was calling that entire room to surrender and I was in there in a defended corner, he'd get himself into a firefight.  Now, if I was the only one in there and I was out in the open, that's a different story.

That's just simple abuse of the BangBang rule, which is meant to be a safety precaution... not a "I-got-10-knife-kills-in-3-seconds" paintball-style move.

Agreed 100%, people need to be aware that this is a safety rule, not something you can use to circumvent actually shooting at your opponent to get kills. I remember having the drop on about 6 people, they had their backs turned and they were all occupied with engaging enemy players in front of them. Trying to surrender that many people, even if you had the drop on them is just plain stupid, like touching the stove while its on stupid.

Conversely knowing when to surrender can spare you from getting lit up like a Christmas tree, if you are engaged with multiple opponents surrounding you on all sides, know when to call it quits. False bravado will not shield you from injuries like chipped teeth or embedded BBs, when you decide to fight a dozen guys that have surrounded you with only 15ft between you and their muzzles.

[spazz]

wow, if and when i ever play at vangard it sounds like ill have to stick to the late night games when the kids arent there. cause if there some kid tells me to surrender he gonna get shot. let the reff say otherwise he gets shot too (in the junk), i dont surrender. ill make sure that every one understands this before the game starts. i aint going out just some kid ran in the room yelling surrender. if you dont have a bead on me with my back turned you dont have a case and even then id rather get shot in the ass then admit defeat with out a fight.
words dont kill mother fucker, bullets do.