AZ trust Land & permits

[Mooncruiser]

Flick-when ya die? I ain't naming a field- "Dead Peter"

[Flick]

Flick-when ya die? I ain't naming a field- "Dead Peter"

LOL!

[Flick]

The only place I ever went with buildings, at least on a renegade field, was down in Florence. I'd love to find something up in the NW valley.

Wait, I take that back - I had the opportunity to play paintball at an "abandoned" hotel on Van Buren off of the 51 about five years ago because one of our guys knew the land owner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaft/sets/72157600386560159/with/562834980/.

Now that was fun!!

[Bambi-troopers]

The only place I ever went with buildings, at least on a renegade field, was down in Florence. I'd love to find something up in the NW valley.

Wait, I take that back - I had the opportunity to play paintball at an "abandoned" hotel on Van Buren off of the 51 about five years ago because one of our guys knew the land owner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaft/sets/72157600386560159/with/562834980/.

Now that was fun!!

My dad showed me video of that!!!! That looked sweet!

[headhunter]

i wish we hadn't lost the land.... but we will adapt and find other places.

[Plauge]

That would b awesome for airsoft like a zombie scenario game

[The Squawkin' Chicken]

The only place I ever went with buildings, at least on a renegade field, was down in Florence. I'd love to find something up in the NW valley.

Wait, I take that back - I had the opportunity to play paintball at an "abandoned" hotel on Van Buren off of the 51 about five years ago because one of our guys knew the land owner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaft/sets/72157600386560159/with/562834980/.

Now that was fun!!

There are so many vacant buildings around here screaming for that sort of action. Gotta say, Flick, you know how to roll with some fun, resourceful characters.

[DMAN007]

Has anyone seen the abandoned fruit factory out along the hunt highway? My friend dated the grand daughter of the owner.
Before she sold it she allowed us to airsoft there once.
http://s805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DMAN_X007/The%20Factory/

[Note]

Has anyone seen the abandoned fruit factory out along the hunt highway? My friend dated the grand daughter of the owner.
Before she sold it she allowed us to airsoft there once.
http://s805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DMAN_X007/The%20Factory/

Can only imagine the fun

[hieu66]

Spoked with three former phx pd cops today about state trust land. It is simple, if its a state trust land without any signs stating private and keep out. then it okay for us to walk on the property. to host and event on the state trust land all we need is a permit. I've included the link to the web site where we can purchase a group permit if we want to keep playing there. Botton line, if we want to keep playing there all we need to is to get a group permit.
Link to purchase permit:     http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/recreation_permit.htm

[Fresnel]

Spoked with three former phx pd cops today about state trust land. It is simple, if its a state trust land without any signs stating private and keep out. then it okay for us to walk on the property. to host and event on the state trust land all we need is a permit. I've included the link to the web site where we can purchase a group permit if we want to keep playing there. Botton line, if we want to keep playing there all we need to is to get a group permit.
Link to purchase permit:     http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/recreation_permit.htm

Four posts down on the first page Flick posts a link to and excerpt from the AZ state trust land website FAQ where it specifically names airsoft and paintball as banned events on state trust land. This isn't about a permit, that won't help. It's simply illegal, no "if"s, "and"s, or "but"s.

That said, Morgan City Wash looks fun. Even if it doesn't become our new Hatfield, having the occasional game there sounds like a blast.

[Shadow]

Has anyone seen the abandoned fruit factory out along the hunt highway? My friend dated the grand daughter of the owner.
Before she sold it she allowed us to airsoft there once.
http://s805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/DMAN_X007/The%20Factory/

I made contact with the owner of this facility about a year ago and discussed using it as a field for a small group.  There's no way.  She wanted to run it as a business or get an insurance contract.  Don't play there.  MSCO is enforcing trespassing laws on the property.

[Huckleberry]

Freznel, don't be so anxious to knuckle under. First a preface, I am a senior criminal defense attorney, and have handled every case from Possession of Marijuanna (POM) to 1st Degree Murder.

Just because the government has over-reached in their law writing, doesn't mean these things stand up in court. There are many unenforced laws on the books in Arizona and every other state. If we get a "permit" to waive at any law enforcement officer who shows up, 99 out of 100 will just go away when they assess us as "harmless". Harmless with permit pushes that to within decimal points of 100%. In all likelihood, the exemption of paintball and airsoft, is so that people don't try to play airsoft up on Squaw Peak, or in one of the State Parks in the urban areas. It scares the hikers.

Now, should we happen to draw "Officer Asshat", who not only has a "hate on" for airsofters, but has carefully researched state land use permits, then he may (horrors) write us a ticket. At that point we can go to the courthouse to discuss the issue with a judge. I'd be happy to represent us at no charge, it's my sport too. With the permit in hand, and my explanation that we all use bio-bb's, so there isn't even any litter, the judge will likely dismiss the ticket. If we get a bad judge, the worst thing that happens is we pay a tiny bit of money into the state's general revenue fund. Think of it as a use tax.

If we want to keep using Hatfield, there is absolutely no reason to give up so easily.

[punkerr1313]

I played once with about 10 friends at the huge building that used to be owned by Motorola. My friend's stepdad's company basically bought it as an investment. That was so much fun. 500,000 square feet of play if I remember correctly.

[Flick]

<content deleted for brevity>
I'd be happy to represent us at no charge, it's my sport too. With the permit in hand, and my explanation that we all use bio-bb's, so there isn't even any litter, the judge will likely dismiss the ticket. If we get a bad judge, the worst thing that happens is we pay a tiny bit of money into the state's general revenue fund. Think of it as a use tax.

If we want to keep using Hatfield, there is absolutely no reason to give up so easily.

Well said, sir, well said. Thank you.

Peter