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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 08:35:11 AM »
LC is worth every dime.  You will understand once you attend one...

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 03:46:00 PM »

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If they hold one here in AZ, I might just show up. But travel expenses and lost pay due to days off in addition to the entry fee... that puts me into "I could buy a new AR-15 and case of ammo" territory

hmm..luckily I have already purchased those things.  ;)
That's a lot of ammo, then. ;)

But in any case, I think this might be one of those scenarios in which ignorance is bliss, and bliss is a heavier wallet.

I don't think anyone goes into airsoft with the expectation that it will be cheap hobby or that it will not consume significant amounts of time. Quite frankly if you are living paycheck to paycheck, airsoft may not be the hobby for you. For the rest of us who are lucky enough to attend these events, they are often some of the most memorable airsoft experiences you can have short of actually signing up for the military and asking for 0311 or 11B.
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2012, 03:58:15 PM »

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If they hold one here in AZ, I might just show up. But travel expenses and lost pay due to days off in addition to the entry fee... that puts me into "I could buy a new AR-15 and case of ammo" territory

hmm..luckily I have already purchased those things.  ;)
That's a lot of ammo, then. ;)

But in any case, I think this might be one of those scenarios in which ignorance is bliss, and bliss is a heavier wallet.

I don't think anyone goes into airsoft with the expectation that it will be cheap hobby or that it will not consume significant amounts of time. Quite frankly if you are living paycheck to paycheck, airsoft may not be the hobby for you. For the rest of us who are lucky enough to attend these events, they are often some of the most memorable airsoft experiences you can have short of actually signing up for the military and asking for 0311 or 11B.
Hey, speak for yourself, I'm getting by on BB's, green gas, occasional repair parts, and the gas to drive to free games...

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2012, 04:20:55 PM »
Tan for lion claw 11 is full there is only room for a squad open on green.
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2012, 04:22:46 PM »

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If they hold one here in AZ, I might just show up. But travel expenses and lost pay due to days off in addition to the entry fee... that puts me into "I could buy a new AR-15 and case of ammo" territory

hmm..luckily I have already purchased those things.  ;)
That's a lot of ammo, then. ;)

But in any case, I think this might be one of those scenarios in which ignorance is bliss, and bliss is a heavier wallet.

I don't think anyone goes into airsoft with the expectation that it will be cheap hobby or that it will not consume significant amounts of time. Quite frankly if you are living paycheck to paycheck, airsoft may not be the hobby for you. For the rest of us who are lucky enough to attend these events, they are often some of the most memorable airsoft experiences you can have short of actually signing up for the military and asking for 0311 or 11B.
Hey, speak for yourself, I'm getting by on BB's, green gas, occasional repair parts, and the gas to drive to free games...

lol

Maybe its because I've been playing since 2005, but I definitely noticed a change in the type of people who play this game. Back then "cheapsofting" was frowned upon because it led to people skimping on eye protection, safe/legal places to play, and it just seemed to bring down the overall quality of the hobby. A lot of the games hosted by the longstanding teams in this state try to establish a modicum of decorum with the rules/requirements and it might seem like a hassle to the new guys now, but when I was new, that was all standard. I'm thankful for having spent my formative airsoft years with these kinds of people because I feel that I care about the hobby as a whole. Hell at the papago game, we were talking about incidents that endangered the game, like that one kid who thought it would be a good idea to go hiking in camo, gear, and with his airsoft gun, that drew a lot of unwanted attention and the last thing any of us wants is legislation to ban airsoft outright. Not to mention all the backyard airsoft games that seem to happen that we know or don't know about that could easily cause the same reaction. Look there's a reason why I said what I said, I didn't say it to be mean spirited in any way, but because of past incidents that almost got airsoft outlawed I am very protective of my pastime. I would gladly make the sacrifice in terms of money, time, and travel to keep airsoft legal.
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 04:39:46 PM »

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If they hold one here in AZ, I might just show up. But travel expenses and lost pay due to days off in addition to the entry fee... that puts me into "I could buy a new AR-15 and case of ammo" territory

hmm..luckily I have already purchased those things.  ;)
That's a lot of ammo, then. ;)

But in any case, I think this might be one of those scenarios in which ignorance is bliss, and bliss is a heavier wallet.

I don't think anyone goes into airsoft with the expectation that it will be cheap hobby or that it will not consume significant amounts of time. Quite frankly if you are living paycheck to paycheck, airsoft may not be the hobby for you. For the rest of us who are lucky enough to attend these events, they are often some of the most memorable airsoft experiences you can have short of actually signing up for the military and asking for 0311 or 11B.
Hey, speak for yourself, I'm getting by on BB's, green gas, occasional repair parts, and the gas to drive to free games...

lol

Maybe its because I've been playing since 2005, but I definitely noticed a change in the type of people who play this game. Back then "cheapsofting" was frowned upon because it led to people skimping on eye protection, safe/legal places to play, and it just seemed to bring down the overall quality of the hobby. A lot of the games hosted by the longstanding teams in this state try to establish a modicum of decorum with the rules/requirements and it might seem like a hassle to the new guys now, but when I was new, that was all standard. I'm thankful for having spent my formative airsoft years with these kinds of people because I feel that I care about the hobby as a whole. Hell at the papago game, we were talking about incidents that endangered the game, like that one kid who thought it would be a good idea to go hiking in camo, gear, and with his airsoft gun, that drew a lot of unwanted attention and the last thing any of us wants is legislation to ban airsoft outright. Not to mention all the backyard airsoft games that seem to happen that we know or don't know about that could easily cause the same reaction. Look there's a reason why I said what I said, I didn't say it to be mean spirited in any way, but because of past incidents that almost got airsoft outlawed I am very protective of my pastime. I would gladly make the sacrifice in terms of money, time, and travel to keep airsoft legal.
I love how you're equating being a frugal player to being a "fuck the rules" cheapsofter who plays at public parks. I've got a good gun, I've got good gear, I play with established teams on established fields at games advertised on this forum. If I resist the urge to gear whore, there's really nothing that I NEED to buy on a regular basis except BB's and the occasional part if and when something breaks, and sometimes a $15-20 entrance fee to a field if there aren't any free games that weekend (or, more likely, I stay home instead). EDIT: Hell, you're on Saguaro, you've probably shot at me more than once if you attended the games at Old Hatfield.

Long story short, for the price entrance to a Lion Claws event, I could take a real-steel training course AND pay for ammo, without having to drive to California to do it. And I'd much rather have real trigger time than airsoft trigger time.

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 06:20:56 PM »
Well this looks like the thread has gone way off course .
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 06:32:56 PM »
Well, If you can't attend, simply do not reply.  I doubt anyone cares if you do not wish to pay the price... so If you wanna go take your training course and shoot real steel... by all means... please do so.  This thread is to discuss the upcoming event... let's stay on topic...

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2012, 11:05:43 PM »
I'm thinking about going, would be my second year. B Company, March or Die!

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2012, 11:19:50 PM »
so this will be my first time and i'm deciding if i wanna go or not. some questions that i have are... since it's a three day event do we have to get our own place to sleep at night like hotel? food being provide or no during the event? what does the 200$ cover?
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2012, 05:09:21 AM »
your $200 registration fee includes:

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Membership fee covers:
Right to participate in Lion Claws XI annual members only airsoft event: full day on May 26th and half day on May 27th
Photo and autograph opportunity with event VIP's
Event commemorative patch
Event commemorative swag
Door Prize ticket for Sunday drawing
Right to camp at the AO over May 25-27, 2012 weekend (Southern California Logistics Airport, former USAF housing)
Experience MOUT like never before!

http://oplionclaws.com/lionclaws/indemnification.php

accommodations(if you don't want to camp):

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Same Hotel, same inclusive rate as last year.

Ambassador Hotel
15494 Palmdale Road Victorville, CA 92392
(760) 245-6565 $60 inclusive per room night/tax/breakfast for one or two persons booking code: "Best of USA"

@they will start breakfast early for us on Sat. and Sun. Limited rooms reserved, first come, first served.

MOST IMPORTANTLY.....there's a Starbucks right across the street!!! Amen!! (ok, and several restaurants with a Target as well).

http://www.oplionclaws.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=4375


once you participate in your first  OLCMSS 3-day op, you will qualify for the cheaper alumni rate for ops that may take place in the future.
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2012, 05:18:53 AM »
your $200 registration fee includes:

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Membership fee covers:
Right to participate in Lion Claws XI annual members only airsoft event: full day on May 26th and half day on May 27th
Photo and autograph opportunity with event VIP's
Event commemorative patch
Event commemorative swag
Door Prize ticket for Sunday drawing
Right to camp at the AO over May 25-27, 2012 weekend (Southern California Logistics Airport, former USAF housing)
Experience MOUT like never before!

http://oplionclaws.com/lionclaws/indemnification.php

accommodations(if you don't want to camp):

Quote
Same Hotel, same inclusive rate as last year.

Ambassador Hotel
15494 Palmdale Road Victorville, CA 92392
(760) 245-6565 $60 inclusive per room night/tax/breakfast for one or two persons booking code: "Best of USA"

@they will start breakfast early for us on Sat. and Sun. Limited rooms reserved, first come, first served.

MOST IMPORTANTLY.....there's a Starbucks right across the street!!! Amen!! (ok, and several restaurants with a Target as well).

http://www.oplionclaws.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=4375


once you participate in your first  OLCMSS 3-day op, you will qualify for the cheaper alumni rate for ops that may take place in the future.
That says "former USAF housing". So, is this like... an old barracks, or just an empty field for you to pitch a tent in? Because if they actually provide a roof over your head for the whole event, that entry fee starts to look a LOT more reasonable.

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2012, 05:47:30 AM »
It's all about the mil-sim. You have a year to save up for it. It's the housing complex where the soldiers and dependents used to live. The ultimate close quarter combat and its pitch a tent just like red dagger. I am getting hotel rooms for 50$ a night. Not that expensive.
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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2012, 06:19:12 AM »
It's all about the mil-sim. You have a year to save up for it. It's the housing complex where the soldiers and dependents used to live. The ultimate close quarter combat and its pitch a tent just like red dagger. I am getting hotel rooms for 50$ a night. Not that expensive.
No, see, I didn't understand that some kind of lodging was included. Sure it's not the Hilton, but it's not the backseat of a Buick either. That not only goes a long way towards justifying the entrance fee in my eyes, it also cuts down on travel expenses. And it also helps to explain why the aborted Rt. 66 AZ game had a notably lower entrance fee, which I was also wondering about.

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Re: OP: Lion Claws XI May 25-27 Victorville CA
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2012, 06:35:56 AM »
There is no lodging provided, they simply provide a secured camping area in the AO.  You have to sleep in your car, bring a tent, or RV or some form of 'roughing it'.  There is no running water or electricity on the grounds.  This isn't the posh barracks experience those of us who did early Combat Challenges events enjoyed ;)

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