Abandoned Mall Game!

[INFIDEL]

if you want to get technical, if the property owner approves theres is no legality issues. only issue would arise if someone got hurt and wanted to blame it on the property owner, and that can be bypassed with waivers.

but yeah this owuld be awesome. but I agree on waiting another week, get a team to back you, and set up a Op story line, gametypes, and a plan for fun all day play. i will be there from 9am to 12pm if it happens.

and if you need the extra hand Im here happy to help any way I can. I have planned many events in NH and ME.

[XavierMace]

Whole place was vacant (doubt it had anything to do with the rain...) so shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Want to know how I know you have no concept of how the legal system works?

1)  "Verbal" permission from an unspecified land "owner" is about as good as no permission at all.
2)  Last I checked, discharging airsoft guns in Chandler city limits is illegal.
3)  When I break my leg tripping over some piece of fallen wood or what not, the lack of a waiver is going to seem like a rather large oversight.

I don't understand why people some how seem to think that "vacant" some how means you have free reign on the property.

[Mooncruiser]

So Mace, that said, does this fit the no-go category?

[XavierMace]

Unless somebody provides evidence otherwise, most definitely yes.

[ColdFire]

If you can fulfill Mace's presets I will come after school at like 4:30pm

[bailey5671]

Guys he is 16, this is pretty much dead then. I think Xavier is wrong because I have been stopped by cops before when playing airsoft at walgreens field, in a park, pretty far away form other people, police said there was no law against it and wished us a good day.

[XavierMace]

I speed 100% of the time and have never gotten a speeding ticket.  That doesn't mean it's not illegal.  Cops do not spend every waking second pouring over the laws and statutes nor do they enforce every single infraction that they see.  Not to mention laws change.  Here's a thought, rather than assuming it's legal, why don't you find out.  Seriously, that whole "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission" doesn't generally work so well with the police.

11-6. - Display or discharge of weapons other than firearms.

A. It shall be unlawful within the City limits for any person to display any air gun, gas operated gun, spring gun or any toy or weapon that is a replica or close in appearance to a firearm in such a manner that a reasonable person would feel threatened by such display.
B. It shall be unlawful within the City limits to discharge any air gun, "B-B" gun, gas-operated gun or spring gun or any instrument, toy or weapon commonly known as a "peashooter," "slingshot" or "beany" or any other instrument, including but not limited to bows and arrows, made for the purpose of throwing or projecting missiles of any kind by any means whatsoever, whether such instrument is called by any name set forth above or by any other name.
C. The prohibitions of this section shall not apply on private grounds or premises when, under the circumstances, such instrument can be fired, discharged or operated in such a manner as not to endanger or be likely to endanger any persons or property and also in such manner as to prevent the projectile from traversing any grounds or space outside the perimeter limits of such grounds or premises. There shall be a further exception when public or private grounds or premises are utilized for the purpose of an organized meet or shooting match involving the use of such weapons and when such meet or shooting match has been authorized by the owner or controller of such premises and written permission for same obtained from the Chief of Police.
D. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and punishable in accordance with Chapter 1 of this Code
(Ord. No. 343, § 1; Ord. No. 2988, § 3, 6-24-99; Ord. No. 3687, 6-9-05)

[bailey5671]

 C.The prohibitions of this section shall not apply on private grounds or premises when, under the circumstances, such instrument can be fired, discharged or operated in such a manner as not to endanger or be likely to endanger any persons or property   

sounds like fuji fits in this catagory LOL

and isnt the mall technically private property? as long as the projectiles dont leave the designated area the mall would be fine

[DMAN007]

 C.The prohibitions of this section shall not apply on private grounds or premises when, under the circumstances, such instrument can be fired, discharged or operated in such a manner as not to endanger or be likely to endanger any persons or property   

sounds like fuji fits in this catagory LOL

and isnt the mall technically private property? as long as the projectiles dont leave the designated area the mall would be fine

It goes on to say you need written permission from the owner as well as permission from the chief of police.

[Mooncruiser]

I'm figuring Mace is leaving this thread up long enough for the OP to see before its deleted.....
But really, doesn't this belong in the games discussion and not the RSVP? There's only one game scheduled for this weekend and a few that are months away.
My point, read the posted rules, new guys, and post accordingly in the right places.
..First night game at FT and it gets buried under this junk, grr.

[Dayton]

 C.The prohibitions of this section shall not apply on private grounds or premises when, under the circumstances, such instrument can be fired, discharged or operated in such a manner as not to endanger or be likely to endanger any persons or property   

sounds like fuji fits in this catagory LOL

and isnt the mall technically private property? as long as the projectiles dont leave the designated area the mall would be fine

Like Dman said, you need written permission from the property owner, and the chief of police. And if it's an open mall, (which it is) than the perimeter would have to be well netted to prevent any BB's from possibly/accidentally endangering by-passers.

FUJI DOES NOT FIT THIS CATEGORY. Nobody has written permission from the owner or police. We used to have written permission from the owner, but that owner no longer owns that land.

[Dayton]

**double post**

[bigwavedave]

Forget about city ordinances and legal issues with minors.....seriously does the owner of this facility realize that people of all ages wearing combat gear and carrying guns that appear real to the general outsider will be entering property and shooting plastic all over the place which can potentially cause interior damage to drywall, and leave bb's all over the place??  What management company or owner would freely give that kind of deal without some type of compensation and legal cover? 

I would assume the building owner or management company would at a minimum have to have some kind of legal issues worked out on paper and not a verbal agreement with a minor.

If it happens I'll be there but I surely am not gonna hold my breath on this one. 

[bailey5671]

You still dont technically need written permission

There shall be a further exception when public or private grounds or premises are utilized for the purpose of an organized meet or shooting match involving the use of such weapons and when such meet or shooting match has been authorized by the owner or controller of such premises and written permission for same obtained from the Chief of Police.

i wouldnt say posting on the forums is very "organized" 


But I digress, I think the post should be deleted and if Avex wants to actually set one up he will need to meet the safety criteria anyway.

[Red Devil]

Why is everybody riding this persons ass? I believe the same thing is trying to happen at fiddlestix abandoned park. But no one is trashing that so why can't it just be left alone. I work for the city of chandler so I will talk to who needs to be talked to.