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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #105 on: December 15, 2012, 10:46:22 PM »
as a p* owner i must say this thread made me very sad.  to think that they should be banned for being consistent, accurate, and safe to use is very unprofessional.  so the other 50 kids are running around with plastic chinese toys...i get that...doesnt mean others should be banned from playing games for investing in a product that every other team/field supports and praises for their quality and safety of use.  i put a lot of money into my p* setup and im proud to use it at every game i attend.  i thought games at the UAC field were fun, professionally ran, and albeit mostly one sided they were challenging to play...but to hinder a good player from attending just because he has a weapon that fires the same safe FPS every single time is a shame and a real disappointment especially from a group/location that i really enjoyed playing at when i first started playing airsoft.  ive been playing for nearly 5 years and it burdens me to have to say that i will not attend another game at this location (and recommend to the other p* owners i know to do the same) because of the lack of tact and professionalism, along with an inability to provide a mature, intelligent counter-argument as to why the guns should not be allowed on the field.

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #106 on: December 15, 2012, 10:48:49 PM »
I have decided to cave into the power of the wallet. You can bring your polarstar to the field. You just can't just shoot it, though  you can run around yelling "bang! bang!".


So, same thing as every other pre-scripted event that I've helped you do as an OPFOR?

Where did he say its pre scripted? I would really like to see this.

he didnt say it was pre-scripted...but other pre-scripted events that i personally have attended as OPFOR consisted of us running around like idiots yelling "bang bang"...that is NOT airsoft...
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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #107 on: December 15, 2012, 11:34:36 PM »
as a p* owner i must say this thread made me very sad.  to think that they should be banned for being consistent, accurate, and safe to use is very unprofessional.  so the other 50 kids are running around with plastic chinese toys...i get that...doesnt mean others should be banned from playing games for investing in a product that every other team/field supports and praises for their quality and safety of use.  i put a lot of money into my p* setup and im proud to use it at every game i attend.  i thought games at the UAC field were fun, professionally ran, and albeit mostly one sided they were challenging to play...but to hinder a good player from attending just because he has a weapon that fires the same safe FPS every single time is a shame and a real disappointment especially from a group/location that i really enjoyed playing at when i first started playing airsoft.  ive been playing for nearly 5 years and it burdens me to have to say that i will not attend another game at this location (and recommend to the other p* owners i know to do the same) because of the lack of tact and professionalism, along with an inability to provide a mature, intelligent counter-argument as to why the guns should not be allowed on the field.

fox out

Fox, I find it a bit insulting that you insinuate that just because we aren't running p*'s that we're all running Wal-Mart guns or CYMA's (not that there's anything wrong with CYMA's :P). I'm gonna be there with my Mauri SOCOM 16 and KJW 1911. Just cause we don't own p*'s doesn't mean we don't have pride in our equipment and take care of em/tune em as best we can.

It makes me sad that people get so bent out of shape cause they can't play with their really expensive toys. We'll be having fun tomorrow, let ya know how it goes. :D

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« Last Edit: December 16, 2012, 12:23:33 AM by Bob Z Moose »
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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #108 on: December 16, 2012, 03:39:12 AM »
I don't need to explain why polarstars are banned from the property. You should try to explain why they shouldn't be banned. We ban metal grenades from the property. Do I need to explain this? We also ban smoking from the property. Does this need an explaination? If I decide to ban purlple shemaghs, guess what? You don't get to wear purple shemaghs. It's really simple. See I make the rules. You go play out in your backyard where you run the show, ok?

As far as all your help in the past, frankly I'm not Michael, and I didn't agree to anything he said or promised. I am not responsible for what another person told you, but I do know that those so designed "scripted" games were made for "paying customers" to have a fun time, and they were either told that the opfor where put on the field to provide a challenge, not defeat and demoralize their son in front of his friends during his birthday party, or provide paying airsoft players an obstacle in attempt of accomplishing their mission, kind of like the AI in Call of Duty, because it really sucks to pay for an airsoft adventure, and the bad guys don't follow the rules and go off mission doing whatever they like because they "feel like it".

As far as what you call "stealing from the old Southwest Paintball Headquarter", let me remind you we actual knew the owners and negotiated with them to remove any material we wanted, as the field was being shut down, and the land was sold to real estate speculators and the owners wanted to get out of the paintball/airsoft business.  They saw the field and all the material as junk and garbage and were considedring paying people to remove it to prep the land for a future sale. And you probably didn't know John, the original owner of Southwest Paintball and his family who were all really good folks, that worked for years to create a really amazing field. And it was really sad to see all his hard work go down the drain after he passed away.  His family got out of the business and sold the property to people who really didn't have the passion for the games, but just saw dollar signs the acerage. You weren't privy to the conversations between the new owners, because you didn't lease the property, or have anything to do with running games.

Now this is the end of the conversation because I have to get back to work preparing for another fun day of airsoft. Really its been fun explaining myself and I look forward to never seeing you at the property again.



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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #109 on: December 16, 2012, 04:15:42 AM »
Oh and by the way, the Game is a Go. See everyone there...without their polarstars.

I almost didn't see the intelligent question earlier. Yes you can wear a battlebelt, dump pouch,  or similar. I haven't banned those...yet. J/K
« Last Edit: December 16, 2012, 04:29:32 AM by HWG-Victor »

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2012, 04:51:26 AM »
Hope everyone has fun! I'll be unable to attend due to my flight arriving at noon. Anyways lets stop

the fighting omongst ourselves, no need for it.

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2012, 12:26:20 PM »
I don't need to explain why polarstars are banned from the property. You should try to explain why they shouldn't be banned.

You're right, you don't NEED to be a civil business person and provide a polite, clear and concise reason behind your decision to a former customer, which affects all other customers.


We ban metal grenades from the property. Do I need to explain this? We also ban smoking from the property. Does this need an explaination? If I decide to ban purlple shemaghs, guess what? You don't get to wear purple shemaghs. It's really simple. See I make the rules. You go play out in your backyard where you run the show, ok?


The difference being, the logic behind no heavy metal grenades is self evident, its a safety risk to throw a heavy metal object blindly into a room full of people.
The difference being, the logic behind no smoking is self evident, its in the middle of the dry desert with wooden buildings subject to wild fires.

The difference being, the logic behind why to ban a gun with no SAFETY concerns that are inherent in its design nor operation, would make it subject to at least having it asked "why?"

I did explain, several times, why they were safe. Ranging from their ROF capabilities, vs their FPS capabilities, vs the safety concerns of improper handling of any compressed gas/fluid.

Instead of thanking me for my input, which countless other fields have done when I helped to educate them on classic airsoft, daytona guns, and polarstar guns, you decided to say, my house my rules, without having any technical knowledge on the subject and then when I tried to enlighten you you got got belligerent.


I asked the question plainly and simply and explained the rationale about their being safe here: http://www.airsoftarizona.com/index.php?topic=34921.msg275270#msg275270

Others asked why too, and again, you just said my house my rules, getting more belligerent with the passing post.




They are just as safe as an AEG, they are just as easy to change the fps regulating nozzle out as any number AEG's out there's springs are, the ROF capability is less than many DSG aeg's out there, and the accuracy is 100% on par to a $30 hopup mod that anyone can have done to an AEG.

Your reasoning boiled down to this, that you perceive them to be more accurate than cheap chinese run-of-the-mill aeg's. ANYTHING out there is more accurate then a cheap run of the mill chinese AEG if you spend $50 on it.

I (and any tech worth his salt) who can make a CYMA, JG, or any other brand AEG out there just as accurate as a polarstar at a given FPS as a polarstar. For less than $100 in parts.

That's the point, people who are willing to spend money on a polarstar get more accuracy because they are also willing to spend money on making them accurate. Throwing a polarstar in a gun does NOT make it more accurate than a run of the mill JG/CA/TM/G&G/ICS gun. Using good ammo, and a good barrel, and a good hopup and bucking does.

As far as all your help in the past, frankly I'm not Michael, and I didn't agree to anything he said or promised. I am not responsible for what another person told you, but I do know that those so designed "scripted" games were made for "paying customers" to have a fun time, and they were either told that the opfor where put on the field to provide a challenge, not defeat and demoralize their son in front of his friends during his birthday party, or provide paying airsoft players an obstacle in attempt of accomplishing their mission, kind of like the AI in Call of Duty, because it really sucks to pay for an airsoft adventure, and the bad guys don't follow the rules and go off mission doing whatever they like because they "feel like it".

Going off mission and not following the rules are completely different than handicapping the OPFOR and not allowing them to achieve victory under any circumstances at big events, not private birthday parties (The big game, bhd, most other large games prior to this one). That's akin to saying that they won, ergo they cheated. That is another argument for another day though.

I tried to be civil with you, I even sent you civil PM's requesting you speak about this privately in an open minded fashion. You ignored them and decided to berate me here after I defended my position to several other posters, with logic and technical knowledge on the subject.

I feel like I have given you enough information now, if you truly read and comprehend it, to better make an INFORMED decision about how to better regulate one small rule.

Good luck, good day.

« Last Edit: December 16, 2012, 12:31:28 PM by nukeduster »

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #112 on: December 16, 2012, 05:24:01 PM »
Great game victor even with the few we lost because of the polorstar fiasco there was still around 50 or so players.  We are really looking foreword to part 2 in January . Did anyone get any pictures? 

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2012, 05:30:23 PM »
I don't need to explain why polarstars are banned from the property. You should try to explain why they shouldn't be banned.

You're right, you don't NEED to be a civil business person and provide a polite, clear and concise reason behind your decision to a former customer, which affects all other customers.


We ban metal grenades from the property. Do I need to explain this? We also ban smoking from the property. Does this need an explaination? If I decide to ban purlple shemaghs, guess what? You don't get to wear purple shemaghs. It's really simple. See I make the rules. You go play out in your backyard where you run the show, ok?


The difference being, the logic behind no heavy metal grenades is self evident, its a safety risk to throw a heavy metal object blindly into a room full of people.
The difference being, the logic behind no smoking is self evident, its in the middle of the dry desert with wooden buildings subject to wild fires.

The difference being, the logic behind why to ban a gun with no SAFETY concerns that are inherent in its design nor operation, would make it subject to at least having it asked "why?"

I did explain, several times, why they were safe. Ranging from their ROF capabilities, vs their FPS capabilities, vs the safety concerns of improper handling of any compressed gas/fluid.

Instead of thanking me for my input, which countless other fields have done when I helped to educate them on classic airsoft, daytona guns, and polarstar guns, you decided to say, my house my rules, without having any technical knowledge on the subject and then when I tried to enlighten you you got got belligerent.


I asked the question plainly and simply and explained the rationale about their being safe here: http://www.airsoftarizona.com/index.php?topic=34921.msg275270#msg275270

Others asked why too, and again, you just said my house my rules, getting more belligerent with the passing post.




They are just as safe as an AEG, they are just as easy to change the fps regulating nozzle out as any number AEG's out there's springs are, the ROF capability is less than many DSG aeg's out there, and the accuracy is 100% on par to a $30 hopup mod that anyone can have done to an AEG.

Your reasoning boiled down to this, that you perceive them to be more accurate than cheap chinese run-of-the-mill aeg's. ANYTHING out there is more accurate then a cheap run of the mill chinese AEG if you spend $50 on it.

I (and any tech worth his salt) who can make a CYMA, JG, or any other brand AEG out there just as accurate as a polarstar at a given FPS as a polarstar. For less than $100 in parts.

That's the point, people who are willing to spend money on a polarstar get more accuracy because they are also willing to spend money on making them accurate. Throwing a polarstar in a gun does NOT make it more accurate than a run of the mill JG/CA/TM/G&G/ICS gun. Using good ammo, and a good barrel, and a good hopup and bucking does.

As far as all your help in the past, frankly I'm not Michael, and I didn't agree to anything he said or promised. I am not responsible for what another person told you, but I do know that those so designed "scripted" games were made for "paying customers" to have a fun time, and they were either told that the opfor where put on the field to provide a challenge, not defeat and demoralize their son in front of his friends during his birthday party, or provide paying airsoft players an obstacle in attempt of accomplishing their mission, kind of like the AI in Call of Duty, because it really sucks to pay for an airsoft adventure, and the bad guys don't follow the rules and go off mission doing whatever they like because they "feel like it".

Going off mission and not following the rules are completely different than handicapping the OPFOR and not allowing them to achieve victory under any circumstances at big events, not private birthday parties (The big game, bhd, most other large games prior to this one). That's akin to saying that they won, ergo they cheated. That is another argument for another day though.

I tried to be civil with you, I even sent you civil PM's requesting you speak about this privately in an open minded fashion. You ignored them and decided to berate me here after I defended my position to several other posters, with logic and technical knowledge on the subject.

I feel like I have given you enough information now, if you truly read and comprehend it, to better make an INFORMED decision about how to better regulate one small rule.

Good luck, good day.


I read all your posts. Seems like your the un-civilized one throwing the tantrum because you were told something you don't like.

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2012, 06:24:45 PM »
hey guys good game, eventhough we had a few minor issues with disiplin. It was fun, the last game was amazing, hmhmhmhm... but the game well. Victor thank for helpin me out with the cap and smahg, and who ever let me use thier spair goggles,  8)
friendly staff and all. Im looking forward to the next one!
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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #115 on: December 16, 2012, 06:26:46 PM »
Great game today!

Might I suggest for the next one to place spawns a fair distance away from the camp, perhaps open up the field more.  It was a pain in the ass having such a limited area with so many people.

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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2012, 06:59:05 PM »
As everyone said, very good game. Drama on occasion, but comes with a group that big. Thanks, Victor for handling it and nipping it in the bud. More than willing to make the trip down to the sandbox again. :D
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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2012, 06:59:40 PM »
Had a good time today. See you at the next Havoc game, inssh' Allah.
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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2012, 08:28:57 PM »
had a good time today, Thanks for all the fun. we will try to make it back in January if schedule permits us.

on a side note, i lost my thunderB. if any one picked it, i would like it returned, it was lost in the thrid game next to the sliver taraus. i used it to take out a seal team of 5-6 players. i was hit before i could retreive it, when i went back it was gone. so im not mad if you picked it up BUT it is mine so send me a PM and well meet up so i can get it back. it was only the core and trigger set up.

thanks guys and see next go round.
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Re: Rise of the Insurgents IV: Battle for Damascus - Part I Sunday, Dec. 16
« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2012, 08:58:11 PM »
Intent of the Game

Rise of the Insurgents is intended to be war simulation game in which participants engage in role-playing various combative forces against each other.  The purpose of the game is to have fun and the outcome of the events are based soley on the participants actions and not a pre-planned outcome.  The game plot and scenarios have been provided to give participants a framework that they must choose to follow and to what extent.  We encourage the participants to engage in activities that woulld motivate the different factions in order to make the game flow as close to the plot as possible.

Using a far superior weapon in an event where no one else has one, just to destroy the competition, does not make for an enjoyable, safe event. I have to think about the 50 other guests. If everyone owned a polarstar, then the circumstances would be different. But they are not. And you sir don't get to dictate terms to an event that you did not write, you did not promote, you did not collaborate on, you did not support, you did not pay for, etc... and the next time you host an event on a parcel of land that you own, with 40,000 sq. feet of urban combat town that has taken 5 years to build, countless man hours, thousands of dollars, and countless years working just to provide a venue for your sarcastic little asinine joke of self-importance, you go ahead and tell me how to conduct my affairs.

Please tell me what say you now in all your infinite wisdom...

In all honesty, I tried to propose a valid argument about the physics about why they are safe, and you turned this into a childish argument where you made me look like a bad guy without addressing any of my completely valid points about the safety of polarstars and the lack of safety inherent with all airsoft weapon systems in one way or another.

I'm here to have fun, you're here to make money. Your lack of professionalism doesn't hurt me, Victor.

Also, it's only superior to poorly tuned Aegs most by metrics. Ask spazz, he can probably build an aeg as accurate as any of my polarstar setups fps for fps.


I didn't attempt to dictate your terms, however I have helped you host 5 events, for free, acting as OPFOR at events ranging from kids birthday parts to BHD to various other events, where your brother and you promised me that I would get a free admission to events of my choosing, an offer that I never cashed in on. I even offered to you in person before to help with construction at the last event that I helped you guys be an OPFOR for, again free of charge.

Events you got paid for, every single time.

I've also been around long enough to have participated or known the parties involved when HWG / MTT / "The Island" allegedly stole SWPBD property to build the first version of "The Island", your field.

http://www.airsoftarizona.com/index.php?topic=16198.msg149228#msg149228


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