Annual Ron event four peaks November 14 due to park ranger request

[TJC10]

What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.

What do you mean?

BBs are ballistic. Once they leave the barrel they are no longer being acted upon by the gun.
Some people started getting the notion that somehow a bb traveling at a set velocity being propelled by air from a tank is different than air coming from a piston. Here in calistan, they equate .2g bb @360fps (1.2J) fired from any HPA system as having the same KE as a .3g @ 500fps (3.48J) fired by a bolty or even an AEG. Like HPA tanks grant you the ability to pour more speed in to a bb after it has left your barrel.

So they ban them or lock them down to ludicrous or unplayable ranges and can't give a reasonable explanation as to why.
AZ held out for several years but it seems the irrationality has spread. Though its a little higher but it is still the same premise. Have an HPA or gas bolty? Limited.

Hmm. As a user of both AEG's and HPA systems myself, I can't see why there is an issue with a 1.55 joule limit. The limit is set across the board for all non "sniper" semi only/bolt actions. Personally, I feel that 1.55 joules are low for open desert, field play in here in Arizona, or anywhere else that has our conditions. As many people can attest, they have been witness to me wiping out entire squads at well over 300 feet with a model that is shooting within 1.55 joules. But I am a 1.82 Joule kind of guy.

Doing limits by joules is a far superior and safer method than by FPS though. Using joules limits "joule creeping" by using the BB's that the play is playing with on the field.

However, I do not understand why LC does not allow HPA in a model that fits all the criteria of "sniper" guns.   

[EagleEye801]

What a disappointment. Never though I'd see california fearmongering make it to arizona. What a sad day.

What do you mean?

BBs are ballistic. Once they leave the barrel they are no longer being acted upon by the gun.
Some people started getting the notion that somehow a bb traveling at a set velocity being propelled by air from a tank is different than air coming from a piston. Here in calistan, they equate .2g bb @360fps (1.2J) fired from any HPA system as having the same KE as a .3g @ 500fps (3.48J) fired by a bolty or even an AEG. Like HPA tanks grant you the ability to pour more speed in to a bb after it has left your barrel.

So they ban them or lock them down to ludicrous or unplayable ranges and can't give a reasonable explanation as to why.
AZ held out for several years but it seems the irrationality has spread. Though its a little higher but it is still the same premise. Have an HPA or gas bolty? Limited.

Is there a bill in the works?  I haven't been able to find anything.

[Bronze Dragon]

Hmm. As a user of both AEG's and HPA systems myself, I can't see why there is an issue with a 1.55 joule limit. The limit is set across the board for all non "sniper" semi only/bolt actions. Personally, I feel that 1.55 joules are low for open desert, field play in here in Arizona, or anywhere else that has our conditions. As many people can attest, they have been witness to me wiping out entire squads at well over 300 feet with a model that is shooting within 1.55 joules. But I am a 1.82 Joule kind of guy.

Doing limits by joules is a far superior and safer method than by FPS though. Using joules limits "joule creeping" by using the BB's that the play is playing with on the field.

However, I do not understand why LC does not allow HPA in a model that fits all the criteria of "sniper" guns.   

Thats what Im saying. They, and that definition seems to be spreading, treat HPA guns as magic. Somehow, if they adhere to the rules for a typed gun, they are breaking the rules. By magic. The whole notion of creep is dealt with by calling out the parameters that are normally called out. Once it leaves the barrel at a given velocity the gun is out of the equation---why does the powerplant make a difference? piston or solenoid, they both use air to push a bb.

Is there a bill in the works?  I haven't been able to find anything.

No, its purely field management. I.E. commonly AEGs are 400 with .25; HPA systems are relegated to 350 with .20g. Because magics. Theyre still not mainstream so  I think it boils down to jealousy; there's no logical argument.
And like here, HPAs are locked into their own one category for all. You can't have a DMR or sniper HPA.

[TJC10]

No, its purely field management. I.E. commonly AEGs are 400 with .25; HPA systems are relegated to 350 with .20g. Because magics. Theyre still not mainstream so  I think it boils down to jealousy; there's no logical argument.
And like here, HPAs are locked into their own one category for all. You can't have a DMR or sniper HPA.

In the Tucson area, the pay field limits are 400 fps with .2's but they don't even ask what weight you are using and supply no BB's for chrono. California did the same which caused the issue on the pay fields there. .43's at 400 is the same energy as .20's at 585 FPS. Combine that with 40+ RPS, with an unlimited supply of BB's, and air due to 15 minute evolutions. Then POOF, magic. Also, most new Chinese clone AEG's shoot nearly 400 fps with .25's out of the box. That's not too smart with the short or no MED's.

In those CQB arenas all guns should be at 1.2 joules. However, that would diminish the number of eligible players with new, stock AEG's, which is norm out there.

[TJC10]

The limits I use (many other AZ teams such as 6CA use a similar version) look like this.

Energy Limits:
Pistols, 1.55j: .20g@350, .23g@325, .25g@315, .28@295. With a no MED.
Field, 1.86j: .20g@445, .23g@415, .25g@400, .28@375, .30@365. With a 30' MED.
Sniper, 3.36j: .25g@535, .28@505, .30@490, .32@475, .36@445, .40@425. With a 100' MED.
PLEASE DO NOT FIRE ON ANYONE WITHIN THE MINIMUM ENGAGEMENT DISTANCE (MED)!

[TJC10]

svataz is game staff for LC and uses the LC standard 1.55 joules for all field guns.

[Eatchalk123 airsoft]

Part of the reason P* DMRs might not be allowed is that you can change the "semi auto only" feature by adjusting your FCU after chrono. Personally I wish they would allow P* DMRs because I am about to build one.

[Bronze Dragon]

No, its purely field management. I.E. commonly AEGs are 400 with .25; HPA systems are relegated to 350 with .20g. Because magics. Theyre still not mainstream so  I think it boils down to jealousy; there's no logical argument.
And like here, HPAs are locked into their own one category for all. You can't have a DMR or sniper HPA.

In the Tucson area, the pay field limits are 400 fps with .2's but they don't even ask what weight you are using and supply no BB's for chrono. California did the same which caused the issue on the pay fields there. .43's at 400 is the same energy as .20's at 585 FPS. Combine that with 40+ RPS, with an unlimited supply of BB's, and air due to 15 minute evolutions. Then POOF, magic. Also, most new Chinese clone AEG's shoot nearly 400 fps with .25's out of the box. That's not too smart with the short or no MED's.

In those CQB arenas all guns should be at 1.2 joules. However, that would diminish the number of eligible players with new, stock AEG's, which is norm out there.

Of course not. What I'm on about is that you can limit an HPA rifle to perform like its aeg/spring counterpart. But they just drop them into their own lesser category. There are MED/pistol only ranges for sniper setups, whats wrong with an HPA following those rules? HPAs have no magic; they shouldn't be treated as such.

[Bronze Dragon]

Part of the reason P* DMRs might not be allowed is that you can change the "semi auto only" feature by adjusting your FCU after chrono. Personally I wish they would allow P* DMRs because I am about to build one.

Some games in the past used to use those warranty stickers, along with tourney locks.

[svataz]

Back to the event we have planned those wanting to camp the night before our game hit me up. For those wanting a few details why hpa are not allowed by lc for sniper since we no longer have dmr as a class I can discuss it in another post or day of our event.

[roboairsoft]

ill be there

[SilverFoxKG]

Chuck, can you post numbers for each color in the main post?

[Red Devil]

To everybody that doesn't know where we are going. I will be meeting people at the Wendy's on Shea and the b-line highway. I will be leaving there at 7am to caravan the lost souls out to the killing grounds. I will be in a red Nissan Titan King cab. My arrival time will be 6:30 am. So show up between 6:30 and 7am.

[svataz]

No night game planned yet due to me working till 8. I do ask those wanting to camp get with me.

[BadAsh]

Thanks for putting this on.  I am sorry if ask noob questions, but I am one, so there you go.  I am a dad with 3 boys (12.13 and 14) and we have played at VIP, FighterTown, etc... but never anything super awesome like this thing!  I would like to ask a few things so I can take my brood here and have them learn from you guys, with me trying to keep up.  First, are there any fees or anything else that we should be aware of?  Second, we currently have a mix of camo so I need to get us all in the same basic range, I assume.  Any suggestions on affordable options so all 4 can dress alike?  I did find this camo online, would it work with the color options? http://www.airsplat.com/airsoft-tactical-concealment-at-bdu-sml.html   Sorry if I am cheap, but arming and outfitting 4 is awesome on a teacher salary:).    Anything else that we should know going out?  Looking to teach my kids right and I want them to really embrace this sport.  Thanks.