[falconflyer11]

what i dont get is that they cut off that guys head, for us torturing there prisoners, is that supposed to help the situation and get us to stop.

[Raven1]

Correct Jason, I'm just saying that it was well spoken!

BTW I am agreement with your sentiments Paco,,,

[Legs]

The Liberal mindset that can actually call Bush or any other true American a war criminal for doing what should have been done decades ago is is EXACTLY why we got hit on September 11th.  We area a weak nation, and are perceived as such by the terrorist world, because of this.  The Liberal vermin in this country are to blame.  Terrorists hit us, yes, and our war is with them, but the Libs invited them by debasing this nation for decades.  You speak of impeachment for the ONLY man since Reagan to actually stand his ground against odds so great they may cost him more than his re-election?  Are you mad?!  Imagine Gore or Kerry in his shoes.  We'd be doing nothing to this day but bending over further and asking them if they're getting in far enough.  NATO and the UN would be running the US and we'd be so weak right now that a teen gang with airsoft guns could take us over.  (If not for the conservative gun owners, of course.)
I do not care about the "abuse" or even "torture" suggested by those photos.  Have you not heard the horrifying screams of the man who was beheaded?  MORONS!!!  I have a son, and I think of him in that situation every time I hear those screams, and they do haunt me.  Those absolute godless heathens cut the head off of a man with a straight-bladed knife on tape so his family and nation could see it and remember it forever.  That is who we are fighting, and there is no quarter with such "people."  They do not fear death.  They fear only humiliation.  That is all that can be used agsinst them to gather intel which can save lives.  May they use every such tactic and more, and shut off the cameras so you Libs can sleep better at night while real men fight to save real lives.

[Harley]

I think that says it all.  Thanks Kyle!

[leadmagnet]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Legs</i>
<br />The Liberal mindset that can actually call Bush or any other true American a war criminal for doing what should have been done decades ago is is EXACTLY why we got hit on September 11th.  We area a weak nation, and are perceived as such by the terrorist world, because of this.  The Liberal vermin in this country are to blame.  Terrorists hit us, yes, and our war is with them, but the Libs invited them by debasing this nation for decades.  You speak of impeachment for the ONLY man since Reagan to actually stand his ground against odds so great they may cost him more than his re-election?  Are you mad?!  Imagine Gore or Kerry in his shoes.  We'd be doing nothing to this day but bending over further and asking them if they're getting in far enough.  NATO and the UN would be running the US and we'd be so weak right now that a teen gang with airsoft guns could take us over.  (If not for the conservative gun owners, of course.)
I do not care about the "abuse" or even "torture" suggested by those photos.  Have you not heard the horrifying screams of the man who was beheaded?  MORONS!!!  I have a son, and I think of him in that situation every time I hear those screams, and they do haunt me.  Those absolute godless heathens cut the head off of a man with a straight-bladed knife on tape so his family and nation could see it and remember it forever.  That is who we are fighting, and there is no quarter with such "people."  They do not fear death.  They fear only humiliation.  That is all that can be used agsinst them to gather intel which can save lives.  May they use every such tactic and more, and shut off the cameras so you Libs can sleep better at night while real men fight to save real lives.
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Legs

I'm sorry, Legs.  But I don't agree that "real men" believe that the Constitution of the United States is something there to wipe their asses on.  I also don't believe that "real men" are willing to ignore the Geneva Convention and resort to war crimes.

I pray for the day when fellow Patriots will stand up against "real men" like that and I hear the words "Mister President, you're under arrest".

Lead

[leakingpen]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The Liberal mindset that can actually call Bush or any other true American a war criminal for doing what should have been done decades ago is is EXACTLY why we got hit on September 11th. We area a weak nation, and are perceived as such by the terrorist world, because of this. The Liberal vermin in this country are to blame. Terrorists hit us, yes, and our war is with them, but the Libs invited them by debasing this nation for decades. You speak of impeachment for the ONLY man since Reagan to actually stand his ground against odds so great they may cost him more than his re-election? Are you mad?! Imagine Gore or Kerry in his shoes. We'd be doing nothing to this day but bending over further and asking them if they're getting in far enough. NATO and the UN would be running the US and we'd be so weak right now that a teen gang with airsoft guns could take us over. (If not for the conservative gun owners, of course.)
I do not care about the "abuse" or even "torture" suggested by those photos. Have you not heard the horrifying screams of the man who was beheaded? MORONS!!! I have a son, and I think of him in that situation every time I hear those screams, and they do haunt me. Those absolute godless heathens cut the head off of a man with a straight-bladed knife on tape so his family and nation could see it and remember it forever. That is who we are fighting, and there is no quarter with such "people." They do not fear death. They fear only humiliation. That is all that can be used agsinst them to gather intel which can save lives. May they use every such tactic and more, and shut off the cameras so you Libs can sleep better at night while real men fight to save real lives.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

legs, thats sarcasm, im hoping.  the liberal mindset is that we shouldnt be messing with people that arent messing with us.  do you know why bin laden started his rage against America?  becuase we lied to the saudi gov, said that saddam was going to attack us next, and put bases on saudi ground to have a presence in the middle east.  why do we need a military presence in the middle east?  so bin laden wants us gone, and everything he has done is to get us soldiers out of saudia arabia, where we shouldnt have been in the first place.  was it liberal mindset that put us in that position?  no!  

and how have we debased this country?  by demanding that we protect the weak, by modernizing our military to deal with the threats of modern warfare, by protecting the environment, by trying to prevent big business from running the government and screw teh little guy?  how have we debased this country?  after all, it wasnt liberals who made a blow job world wide farking news?  but it IS liberals who have ignored the story of the girl bush raped who later died mysteriously.  if there was a liberal media, that would be world news by now.

[Legs]

If the two of you truly believe the garbage you are spewing, then I pity you.  For all of your claims you know little and understand even less.  Read your history, no matter how you interpret it.  Every society that has fallen, fell first from within, and it was liberalism in all its glory that paved the way to those downfalls.  It is liberlism that allows all things, removes barriers, erases gender, redfines marriage, removes God, applauds Science, ignores historical facts spoken by the Founding Fathers on what they meant and intended regarding our Constitution, welcomes pornography and all other forms of filth as art covered by the freedom of expressions clause in the 1st, and a laundry list of other sins.  Powerful nations remember their roots and they fight to preserve them, for they will preserve the nation.  That is where "Conservative" comes from, and it is a must for our survival.  "Liberal" means "without bounds," essentially, and that is the marching song of the Left.  "Whatever you want, and we'll pay for it, too."  Putting underwear on a guy's head is not a war crime.  Cutting off a non-combatant's head while you stand around in the pooling blood is.
Like most Liberals I doubt this will even have meaning for you and I won't even bother looking for your reply.  You either understand that Liberalism is our doom, or you do not.  If you do not, move next to someone who does, so that you can stand a chance of surviving the next attack, and the next one, and the next one.

[Movin-to-Arizona]

AMen to who ever wrote that. We need to start blownin the h3ll out of them so they learn their lesson not to F**K with us or else we will be the daylights out of them. Also I belive if we Video Tape us sticking an M-80 up saddams butt it will teach them a lesson that we whoop a$$!

[leakingpen]

wow.  just.... wow.

almost every civilazation that has collapsed from within did so not from rampant liberalism, but from stagnation, caused by a refusal to change.  if it was good enough for my daddy, its good enough for me, is a death-nell. times change, and society HAS to change.  conservatism is what kept kings in power.  conservatism is what kept a people enslaved.  conservatism is what caused the crusades.  conservatism also...  kept big business under control, preventing corperations from flourishing, until liberals, looking for an expansion of economy, created big business.  but its now conservatism that keeps it growing.  too far down any path leads to destruction, through chaos or stagnation.  the proper course is to keep the changes that are helpful, change the things that need changing.  something to remember, the republican party started out as a liberal party, then changed to conservative over the course of a century.  the average democrat is seen as conservative in most the rest of the world.  and btw  JESUS WAS A LIBERAL.  his father, the "i'll drown your ass" god, now thats a conservative for you.



btw, once again, we were attacked becuase of the acts of conservatives, acts that were railed agaisnt by the liberals, and were attempted to be overturned by the liberals.

[gixser13]

leadmagnet, I want you to know I was venting on the last forum when I said the kill them all statement. I just watched the beheading video and Yes it pissed me the hell off... You if anyone,must  see what is  happing to this great country of ours We need to take a stand not just in Iraq but in our own country!

[leadmagnet]

Gixser, my friend.  No need to apoligize.  I understand how you felt.  The vid didn't do too much to me cause I already carry enough luggage.  Observing that video didn't add much.

And yes, we need to take a stand.  Mine is behind the U.S. Constitution, bro.  And I don't claim to be an authority on it.  I hope you're with me.  I might not be the best guy to talk to about morals either.  But damn it, I'll not tolerate war criminals.

Lead

[KamikazeSM]

pen, Jesus' message was not political in any way.  That is precisely why it was so revolutionary.  It may happen that some of the things he preached may now coincide loosely with some values held by some liberals (which area also held by a lot of conservatives), but to put that tag on him is ridiculous.  

Sorry it's a little off topic...

[leakingpen]

kamikaze, it was legs that was trying to politicize jesus, i was simply responding.  and was paraphrasing a bill maher joke that ive always found hilarious.  ( he loved to go out and party, was a drinker, turned water into wine you know.  he preached compaasion for the poor, he had a hooker friend, hes Ted Kennedy, this guy is)

but seriously, i see someone using Jesus to promote an agenda of hate and greed, and it pisses me off.


gixser, i was pissed too.  but what can i say, i was psychoanlyzing it as well.  why did they feel they had to do that.  and im just not willing to accept, "because they are evil godless heathens" as an answer.

[Paco]

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<br />kamikaze, it was legs that was trying to politicize jesus, i was simply responding.  and was paraphrasing a bill maher joke that ive always found hilarious.  ( he loved to go out and party, was a drinker, turned water into wine you know.  he preached compaasion for the poor, he had a hooker friend, hes Ted Kennedy, this guy is)

but seriously, i see someone using Jesus to promote an agenda of hate and greed, and it pisses me off.


gixser, i was pissed too.  but what can i say, i was psychoanlyzing it as well.  why did they feel they had to do that.  and im just not willing to accept, "because they are evil godless heathens" as an answer.
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leakingpen, I honestly don't know where you get this stuff from!  YOU were the first to mention "Jesus" in this!  You!  Where did Legs even refer to Him?  YOU tried to politicize Jesus by saying he was "liberal", not Legs.

[Giland]

Reminds me of the quote from A Few Good Men
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Son, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">