[Screwloose]

Like I said Freedom March.  Blast anyone who complains.

I've written several E-mails to CNN, MSNBC, and the like complaining about the fact that the Slaughter of an American citizen is back news to this Iraqi prisoner story or the "The American government and military are at fault for this act or terrorisim crap".

Man I'm still pissed.

[TheCrow]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by gixser13</i>
<br />We need to load up a few ships with some Good O Boys and goto Iraq.  Not as soldiers, As Americans
they come to us by the boat loads. why cant we do the same.......

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Amen to that!

[Harley]

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<br />We need to load up a few ships with some Good O Boys and goto Iraq.  Not as soldiers, As Americans
they come to us by the boat loads. why cant we do the same.......

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Sign me up!

[leadmagnet]

Well, I'll try to show the courtesy of a response to all who directed posts to me as well as making a couple of additional comments.

Kamikaze, the Christian bible alludes to killing a wide range of sinners as well.  I'm not sure that exchanging bible/Koran text will get us anywhere on the matter.

USMC-Greg, I am saying that in Bush wiping his ass with the US Constitution and the Geneva Convention, he has contributed to the same kind of behavior by his subordinates and he should be held responsible as well.

Matt, you need to stop threatening the participants here in this forum.  Yeah, yeah, kill them all.  Yada, yada, yada.  We already know what you believe in, and that is to assault anyone who disagrees with you.  You ought to be ashamed of yourself calling other board members names like that and making those kinds of veiled threats, tough guy.  There was a day when I use to run with guys like you.  I know your type well.  In fact, there was a day when I was a lot like you.  You're going to find yourself in prison (or worse) if you don't learn to control your anger.  With all the steam boiling up inside you son, you're lucky the top of your head doesn't blow off.  

And Paco, first you're showing pictures of shiny happy people we're helping and then you want to kill them.  I'm seriously wondering how many of these guys have forgotten to take their medication.  You need to put your foot down when people start getting threatened in this forum or folks are going to start thinking that you support that kind of behavior.

Look at Gixser, he's even trying to cite biblical history to justify genocide.  Good Lord man.   Take a nap, bro!

Giland and leakingpen, thank you two for bringing a little common sense to this thread.  I have a lot of respect for people like you two who can keep their cool and stand up under pressure while others here are falling apart like a bunch of hysterical mental patients in a psych ward.  I'll bet you're the kind of people who when there is some ass kickin that needs to be done, can keep their cool and actually take care of business.  Pink?  Sheeeit.  I know balls when I see em.  And I see two sets of big ones.

I think the rest of you guys are probably some damn decent people in the real world who are just letting themselves get carried away in this thread.  But quite frankly, some of you are doing a damn good job of acting just like the people we claim to be at war with.  

Lead

[Paco]

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<br />And Paco, first you're showing pictures of shiny happy people we're helping and then you want to kill them.  I'm seriously wondering how many of these guys have forgotten to take their medication.  You need to put your foot down when people start getting threatened in this forum or folks are going to start thinking that you support that kind of behavior.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Spin, sping, spin.  I posted those in direct response to rhetoric that leakingpen mentioned.  He was inferring that such stuff isn't occurring because the media doesn't show it.  I refuted that.

I want to kill them?  I'll refer you to my above posts.  Apparently you didn't read them well enough to get my point.

Leadmagnet, you've done a good job at attacking pretty much everything that's being done in the middle east (and at home), but you've offered absolutely no solutions.  If everything that's being done is so wrong and bad, what do you propose that we do?

As for "personal attacks"...  you directed the comment specifically to me, but I've made none, so I assume that's your error and you're actually referring to Matt's post.  I warned him for the final time.  <i>No personal threats or attacks are tolerated here.  Continuing to do so will get you banned from these forums.</i>

[Farslayer]

Lead,

I was wondering if you have any relatives serving in Iraq?  I do.  I am also curious if you'd be so "cool under pressure" if Berg was your brother or your son?  If he was someone you loved, would you be insisting we bring those who did it to justice?  What would be the justice you demanded?

Hostile feelings aside, Berg was killed for two simple reasons:  He was a Jew and he was an American.  That's it.  See it as it really is.  It wasn't a revenge killing (as if there is a moral eqivelancy between humiliation and slaughter), it was a brutal act of hatred.

I think we (and the rest of the world) have been very patient with militant islamics.  I do agree with you (and Kopper) in part, I think we all should do our part...whether it is serve in the armed forces, write or congressmen or pray to the God we serve.

[leadmagnet]

Paco, spin?  Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say we should nuke em?  You know, those shiny happy people just so we can make a point to the one's who ain't so shiny?

Solutions?  I need to give alternatives for not crapping on our Constitution or committing war crimes?  My solutions revolve around the approach that we deploy our forces effectively to address immediate threats, cut through all the bull**** with the "nation building" and dish out more of the same wherever needed while maintaining a direct correlation between those who attack us and those we attack.  We do it without wiping our asses with the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva Convention and we prosecute those who do.

And as far as Matt's threatening comments go, I directed my comments to you because you are the man in a position to do something about it.

[leadmagnet]

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<br />Lead,

I was wondering if you have any relatives serving in Iraq?  I do.  I am also curious if you'd be so "cool under pressure" if Berg was your brother or your son?  If he was someone you loved, would you be insisting we bring those who did it to justice?  What would be the justice you demanded?

Hostile feelings aside, Berg was killed for two simple reasons:  He was a Jew and he was an American.  That's it.  See it as it really is.  It wasn't a revenge killing (as if there is a moral eqivelancy between humiliation and slaughter), it was a brutal act of hatred.

I think we (and the rest of the world) have been very patient with militant islamics.  I do agree with you (and Kopper) in part, I think we all should do our part...whether it is serve in the armed forces, write or congressmen or pray to the God we serve.


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Yes, Farslayer.  I have people very dear to me fighting in Iraq.  And yes, I support the bringing of such people as those who murdered Mr. Berg to justice.  I would like to see them get the death penalty for such an offense and I would be much appreciative if allowed to adminster the punishment myself if someone dear to me was the victim.

Any more questions?

Lead

[Paco]

Yes, I did.  How else is this going to end?  How?  Crushing their will to fight is the only way.  Now you're proposing to "deploy our forces effectively to address immediate threats".  Huh?  WTF do you think they have been doing?  How do you think they fight there?  Stand behind a group of women and fire from behind them.  They send women and children suicide bombers.  They send suicide bombs in ambulances.  I've said it a thousand times:  WE CANNOT FIGHT A "PC" WAR AND WIN!  IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

One of the biggest things that upsets and frustrates me about the left (recently) is their outcry about how the Bush administration didn't do all it could to prevent 9/11, and then when the Bush administration is more preemptive in preventing future terrorism on our own soil through the current war, interrogation, etc, the left SCREAMS about how we "rushed" to it, blah, blah.  I can 100% GUARANTEE you that if we had NOT gone after Iraq, and two-three years after 9/11 if there was some large terrorist attack in the US, the left would be SCREAMING at Bush for not going after Iraq!  How can we win with the left being they way they are?!

That old joke about Bush walking on water and the left/media reporting the next day that he "can't swim" is SO true.

[azsarge]

It would be nice if the next video was released went something like this:
-Terrorists taping an interview with an American hostage
-Terrorists threatening hostage and making demands upon the US Government
-Taping interrupted by sparks and smoke
-Terrorists laying in pools of their own blood, with ventilated skulls
-Guys in 3 color escorting hostage out of room
-End of tape

[Farslayer]

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<br />  I've said it a thousand times:  WE CANNOT FIGHT A "PC" WAR AND WIN!  IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

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Yep, that is the horrible reality of war.  PC'ness works fine if BOTH side adhere to some set of rules, but that will never be the case here.  I am not for "war" in general, but since we are already hip deep, I think we should take the offenseive.  
Yes, innocents will die (Berg being one already), but if we continue to tie the hands of the men and women in the armed services, we will continue to lose more and more coalition forces.  Mark my words gentlemen, if more people are taken and slaughtered like goats, there is going to be a massive amount of Iraqi casualities.

[leakingpen]

paco, there isnt a single liberal that isnt in support of the war in afghanistan.

but here are some FACTS.
iraq was a secular (non religious) country.  saddam doesnt hate america, his people dont hate america.  well, didnt.  he has no terrorist ties, in fact, more than a couple of those unmarked graves are the bodies of al-queada cells that were caught operating in iraq.  he was complying with the un regulations completely.  something that you rarely hear mentioned is that the rooms in palaces that inspectors werent allowed into have all been investigated.  remember the gun rooms and porn rooms you heard about the brothers having?  yeah, they were investigated early becuase they were the off limits rooms.  saddam had destroyed all the wmd he had bought from us, and there is no evidence that he ever had any programs to make the stuff.  why should he?  he could buy it easy on the world market a lot cheaper.  saddam was in NO way associated with 9/11.  period.  

saudi arabia, now.  they are a wahabi islam gov (thats the type of islam that hates america for being secular, and for having bases, which we LIED to saudi arabia to get)have al-quadea training camps paid for by the state, 11 of the 9/11 hijackers were saudis, and they have significant wmd programs.  but they are our friends....

go fig.

[leakingpen]

and...  you are stating that iraqis have "bad, and wrong morals"  wtf?  iraq is hte closest country in general beliefs and morals as the USA that you will find in the middle east.  And im not asking you to think like an iraqi.  im asking you to think like an american in their situation.  if WE were invaded to free us from a dictator (lets say, kerry gets elected, overturns term limits, and sets it up so that he always wins, and runs the country liberally, just to put you in the right mindset, all pun intended) and then our liberators did what we are doing in iraq, how would you respond?  as an american?  if you hear stories of citizens being tortured?  and stop it with teh panties, that was NOTHING compared to what was done to some of these people.

[Paco]

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<br />paco, there isnt a single liberal that isnt in support of the war in afghanistan.
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Are you going to stand by that?  If so, let me know by reaffirming it and I'll begin posting the pages and pages of links.

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but here are some FACTS.
iraq was a secular (non religious) country.  saddam doesnt hate america, his people dont hate america.  
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WTF?  What is a fact about ANY of the above?  Iraq was Suni vs Shiite muslim - how is that "non religious"?  Saddamn doesn't hate America (uh, MY America has a CAPITAL "A" and don't you forget that!)?  Is that why Saddam tried to assassinate Bush Sr, because he didn't hate America?

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well, didnt.  he has no terrorist ties, in fact, more than a couple of those unmarked graves are the bodies of al-queada cells that were caught operating in iraq.  he was complying with the un regulations completely.
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Again, WTF?!  You think Saddam was complying with all the stipulations of the cease-fire from the Gulf war???  Reaffirm that and the links will flow to show that he didn't comply with MANY, MANY of those "unconditional surrender" stipulations.

No argument from me about Saudi Arabia.  They are part of the problem and contribute to terrorism IMO.

[leadmagnet]

Paco, please explain to me how committing genocide against a people is going to destroy their will to fight.  Would it destroy yours?  At that point, I figure they don't have any choice but to fight.