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Offline Pheonix 797

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« on: May 20, 2004, 05:13:56 PM »
It has already been mentioned and considering it comes with two grenades it's actually VERY cheap. I think it's very wrong though.
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2004, 05:54:57 PM »
Yeah, it may be useful, but so would throwing BBs at people and a MP5k w/ a 12volt battery and a drum mag. Theres reasons u dont see either of those last 2 too often. Rick
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2004, 11:21:44 PM »
If it was inside a normal-sized AN/PEQ2 box, it might not be so bad.  The ghey part of it for me is the fact that yet another incorrectly-dimensioned IR pointer has hit the airsoft market.  

I guess this will appeal to the type of people that have silver-slide G18C's and C Mags.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2004, 12:02:01 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br /> yet another incorrectly-dimensioned IR pointer has hit the airsoft market.  
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Oh...the horror...[;)]
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2004, 01:03:27 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ninja</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face"Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br /> yet another incorrectly-dimensioned IR pointer has hit the airsoft market.  
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Oh...the horror...[;)]
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Well it is![:(!]

Here's the deal.  We do this stuff because of the replica weaponry.  I want accurate replicas, that function in a semi-accurate fashion.  Airsofters really have no need for IR pointers, so why not use the space to hold a battery pack?  It's a good idea.  The only reason I have a replica AN/PEQ is because I need a place to hold my AEG battery.  The very need for batteries is a major flaw of AEGs as far as I'm concerned, but it can't be changed.  There are other alternatives (like a Cane stock), but then I wouldn't be using it for what it's meant for would I?  The AN/PEQ is not meant to fire things, so why make a replica that does?  On top of that, this one is too large, and looks like sh*t.

I know you were semi-joking, and being quite witty in the process, but I dislike this item for it's very principle.

I just think that if we're going to use things like that for the look, why not use them for what they are meant for?  Same thing with those SABER's that hold BBs.  It may seem like a good idea, but the only people who would buy a real SABER radio are those who know how cool they are, and WHAT they are in the first place.  Not some kid who needs to fill a pouch on his replica RACK, and wants to carry BBs as well.

I just don't think we need to go in that direction, that's all.  How fake do you want this hobby to become?

Call me a "gear whore", or whatever you want, but I like my kit to be useful (for what it's meant to be used for). Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some new Paraclete pouches that need a home...
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2004, 01:33:21 AM »
I agree.  Whats next a BDU vest that sprays out BB's with the pull of a cord?  Come on why do you need these things, it reminds me of the time that Pancho was throwing bbs at me [;)]

We get into airsoft for realism, as close as we can get.  And someone with a box on thier gun that throws bbs is just dumb. If you want to spray bbs out get a 203.  At least that is more realistic than having a laser box shoot out bbs.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2004, 10:13:49 AM »
Well, I hate to be the relativist, but there's plenty of stuff in airsoft that's not made for realism, and is simply made for fun, or for a different play style than milsim.  Milsim and accuracy is the way that you play, and a BB-firing AN/PEQ, while it may ruffle your feathers, isn't going to degrade the hobby as a whole.  

I mean, there's a company in Japan that makes airsoft versions of a bunch of anime guns, and there's all those crazy styled revolvers and the like.  

Diff'rent strokes for different airsoft folks.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2004, 11:25:44 AM »
Wow, did I open a can of worms or what?

Anyway, I see AZSarge. I think it would be a unique item to have, but in all reality, I don't have much use for an item like that, and therefore wouldn't spend the money on one. I simply thought that it was a little something different.

I did notice that this had been posted about before, but didn't have time to delete the thread after I posted it. The most interesting thought that came from those other threads was the MOSCART shotgun idea. All you'd need would be some low cost MOSCART shells, and a shell bag to catch them with, and you'd be all set for some incredible CQB play. Perhaps we'll see something along these lines some day? [:D]
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2004, 01:48:09 PM »
CQB with a MOSCART shell would be viscous!  When you're that close, all you need is ONE BB, not 18.

I'll stick with AEGs and GBBs thanks you.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2004, 02:24:45 PM »
If you could find a way to reduce the velocity, you'd be fine. If a valve could be designed that reduced air flow, you could get two-three shells worth of BB's per fill, and launch the BB's at around 150-200fps. I could take that easy. Purely for realisms-sake. A nice semi-auto GBB Benelli M3 Super 90 would hit the spot just right. [:D]
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2004, 03:14:44 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Basher</i>
<br />If you could find a way to reduce the velocity, you'd be fine. If a valve could be designed that reduced air flow, you could get two-three shells worth of BB's per fill, and launch the BB's at around 150-200fps. I could take that easy. Purely for realisms-sake. A nice semi-auto GBB Benelli M3 Super 90 would hit the spot just right. [:D]
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Could not have said it better! [8D]
1) gas efficiency
2) good level of fps for CQB
3) it would be the first truly realistic shotgun in my opinion (the existing benelli is cool, but 3 bbs just isnt enough for a shotgun [8)])

-Scott
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2004, 03:27:43 PM »
There's already the Maruzen shotguns, which basically do what you describe. They have their limitations, but essentially that's what they are.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2004, 04:37:53 PM »
Oh really? My mistake I have never seen or heard of one before. I'lll have to check one of those out.

-Scott
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2004, 07:07:00 PM »
My point is this:

Why would you need a shotgun for CQB?  

Do you have trouble hitting with just a semi-auto AEG or GBB on the first shot at that close range?

Are you going to be blowing door handles with simulated airsoft frangible slugs?
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2004, 07:26:16 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br />My point is this:
Are you going to be blowing door handles with simulated airsoft frangible slugs?
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