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Offline KenCasper

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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2004, 05:12:38 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I just believe that going into Iraq was a mistake. I just don't want vietnam to repeat itself. I also think it was stupid to go against the UN in the first place when we got into Iraq. However we need to keep Bush in office because he seems to be handling things to the best of his ability, while Kerry would not know how to handle the situation.
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PhxDemon I'm currently here in Iraq, and asmuch as I hate being here, I don't think it was a mistake at all. Maybe way undersold, and shaky on the reasons given, but not a mistake to liberate these people. Everyday I see Iraqi's and tey are almost entirely supportive of the USA and Coilition Forces that have liberated and are helping to rebuild the country. Yes I said almost all, there will always be that minority that doesn't agree, or want what the majority wants, but the greatest freedom we have been givin as US Citizens is the right to vote, and the majority rule. It is what keeps tin pot dictators from running rampant over us.

   The key question in this election is this "do you want a president that switches sides with the political winds, or one that stands with his beliefs thru the short term political storm?"  Kerry has a history of doing what ever gets him public favor at that moment, not (to quote Mr Bush) "staying the course" over the long term. Kerry is currently touting hisself as a Veitnam War "HERO", yet when he came home from his short tour he did everything he could to undermine support for fellow soldiers, and support the propaganda war in the Veit theater against US troops. I have read letters and Articles from Veitnam Vets that claim that the "hero" really wasn't, and the claims of bravery under fire while commanding a PT boat, were of events that happened BEFORE he took command of the boat.

  So It all boils down to who you believe, someone who is trying his best to buy your vote with slick stories of his "Hero" status, or the guy who hardly talks about his time in Uniform, and just lets his ast actions speak for him?
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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2004, 12:18:33 PM »
We should judge a candidate first and foremost on his/her willingness to support the Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and the principles under which this nation was founded and which we hold most sacred.

Bush supported and continues to support measures such as the "Patriot" Act.  He therefore presents the clearest and most immediate threat to our nation and the principles for which we were founded.

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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2004, 11:53:00 PM »
Lead,
Don't you think that almost any President (who wanted to be reelected) would have signed that thing thing?
The President executes the wishes of the people (the ones who put him into office anyway). Almost everyone wanted him to sign that bill, and congress would have overridden him if he hadn't... the fact is that people have to feel like they are safe. The reality may be far from the truth, but people want that false sense of security. We simply Must be safe from those sneaky terrorists. It's clear that Bush does not really want to expand the power of the Federal Govt. (his other policies prove that), it's just something that he had to do.

What is Constitutional? At least Bush is doing all he can to keep the Supreme Court from making gay marriage, abortion, or the removal of "God" from the pledge of allegiance "Constitutional".
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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2004, 11:22:53 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by yellowmonkey</i>
<br />Lead,
Don't you think that almost any President (who wanted to be reelected) would have signed that thing thing?
The President executes the wishes of the people (the ones who put him into office anyway). Almost everyone wanted him to sign that bill, and congress would have overridden him if he hadn't... the fact is that people have to feel like they are safe. The reality may be far from the truth, but people want that false sense of security. We simply Must be safe from those sneaky terrorists.
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We can write that on the tombstone...

"Here lies the U.S. Constitution, the people needed to FEEL safe".

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by yellowmonkey</i>
<br />It's clear that Bush does not really want to expand the power of the Federal Govt. (his other policies prove that), it's just something that he had to do.
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The "Patriot" Act, a Constitutional amendment imposing certain Christian religious dogma upon the states, the incorporation of theist principles in our National oath?  Oh my, George Bush COULDN'T be interested in expanding the power and influence of federal government into our personal lives, could he?  (Cough, cough).

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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2004, 02:32:04 PM »
I think this conversation double laps into that thread about moore, I'll just respond there.
We are thread hi-jackers aren't we? [;)]
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2004, 03:02:25 PM »
first off, homeland security and the patriot act were originally proposed, albeit with a lot less power, and requirements of going to judges for warrants, by a pair of democrats in early 2001.  bush campained against it, and it was narrowly defeated in the senate.  come 9/11, suddenly its a good idea.  the 9/11 comminsion, the iraq wmd commision, ohh, so many.

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http://www.flipfloppingbush.com/
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2004, 11:44:39 PM »
This is all you need to Prove Kerry is a Political Whore who will do anything and everything just to get your vote!

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2004, 08:58:21 AM »
I won't rant and rave about what I think of both men. Both Jesse and my best friend hear it every other day. Bush, well I don't trust him. Kerry, really samething as well. However Kerry in my mind is the lesser of two evils. As for Kerry wanting to ban guns, come on. Like that is ever going to pass in the U.S. Edwards isn't too bad, however I wanted Clark to get the nod to run.

Really, vote for whoever you want to vote for. We all know our vote really doesn't count in the long run.
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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2004, 10:53:34 AM »
I haven't been following this thread so I don't know if this has been posted yet.

To lighten things up a bit.

www.jibjab.com
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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2004, 11:28:55 AM »
harley, that was great.  two politicos mocking each other and themselves.  lovely.  YEEHAW.
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« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2004, 01:49:41 PM »
That was a good one, Harley!  Here is a series of pics that has some pretty funny stuff too...

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library ... roftoz.htm
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2004, 02:07:58 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2004, 02:58:58 PM »
Yeah, but I'm a Libertarian and I don't think I'd want to invade France today either

Pretty damn good idea back in the forties, but today?  I don't think so.

Heheh.

But you know, if it convinces those French women to shave their armpits and legs, I might be able to get behind it.

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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2004, 03:41:02 PM »
dont forget the need for the men to shower too!   Man Paris was one STINKY place when i was there...lol.  But it makes up for it in history and culture.
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2004, 03:48:27 PM »
And Kudos to everyone engaged in this discussion.. unlike most boards i visit neither side has broken down to whining and childish bantering.  Both sides present their veiws clean and clear and with respect.  Good job guys!  Keep it civil and educated!
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