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Offline studdermonkey

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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2005, 02:07:23 AM »
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So your telling me I can have a more accurate 9mm than a .50?...Yeah...Im going to need some proof on that one. The bb will not only be heavier but have a larger mass so the air would not effect it as much as its own inertia and gravity....Hence why when you fire a .12 and then a .2 the .12 will take off like bug and wander while the .2 stays on course longer..

Andy.. you lost, man. The 8mm is far less accurate. I've fired 8mm guns. The only good one was Daves Bren. But that was a nbb.

And the difference of your .12 and .2 compared to our 6 to 8.. we're talking size! And, am I wrong in saying, that the 8's and 6's are the same weight?

Not asking you, busta.. asking someone knowledgeable! :P
Well, for one, I am not competing. It's a fucking forum so get over it. But, until someone can actually show me or prove to me through formula different, I have to believe the guy I have talked to.


Ok, since this is now an arguement between Andy-Justin, Dave, I.. I'll make one last post..

Dude! You wouldn't be able to READ the formula!

Edit: I feel bad I posted. Attending an arguement between four kids. Showing why kids on a forum sucks! I'm so pathetic! :cry:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 05:00:00 PM by studdermonkey »
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« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2005, 02:17:45 AM »
I have tried all the airsoft sites I know of, I cant seem to get my hands on one. I sent an email to most of the webmasters too.. and to some ppl at arnies airsoft, I hear they can find hard to find items
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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2005, 02:17:47 AM »
It wasn't an argument in the first place, you guys are way too wound up and uptight about everything. I simply asked for proof...you couldn't really provide it.
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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2005, 02:23:35 AM »
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It wasn't an argument in the first place, you guys are way too wound up and uptight about everything. I simply asked for proof...you couldn't really provide it.


Can you? I provided proof, just not in a form you want. I gave you a pretty good reason why I say what I say, and a couple ppl back me up.

Edit: Ill look up the word "argument" for you andy.. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=argument
This is an argument....
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2005, 11:21:26 AM »
This is a neutral post!
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Well lets think about it for a second. If you've ever taken Physics in High school you should learned that wind and air on a bullet or BB is called a force. More specifically it's a force called friction. Now when a bullet or BB is lauched from the gun a force is applyed to make it move. If you multiply it velocity times it's mass and divide by two you get the kinetic energy. So with that said, if two bullets are launched with the same mass, but different diameters, they will have the same kinetic energy, but the one with a smaller diameter will experience less friction from air due to it's smaller surface area. But if the bullet or BB with the larger diameter had a larger mass this would give it a greater weight- or in terms of Newtons: Force. So in order to move the bullet/BB it would require a greater amount of friction from the air.

So, in this case, we can say that the horizontal momentum would have a direct relationship to the diameter of the bullet; and horizontal momentum would have an inverse relationship with the mass. Meaning, the bigger the diameter gets the more the momentum will be effected. And the larger the mass gets, the less the horizontal momentun would be effected.

So in conclusion, it's obvious that the direction of the forces would be different with many different combonations of mass and diameter. So trying to determine- physics wise- whether and an 8mm is more accurate than a 6mm, or vise versa, isn't enough.

There, not trying to a smart allec but I'm just trying to help solve a disspute, and so I had to lay the facts out in order to prove it.

Once again this post was completly neutral, so no critisism is allowed, thank you.
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2005, 11:41:00 AM »
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But if the bullet or BB with the larger diameter had a larger mass this would give it a greater weight- or in terms of Newtons: Force. So in order to move the bullet/BB it would require a greater amount of friction from the air.

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wow... ok, you shoot a 6mm .43, then a 8mm .43... I think that because the 8mm is bigger, it would slow down faster because air is hitting it more, and also, the wind hits it more...

and im talking about size, not just weight


Just because its bigger.... dosnt mean its heavier...
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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2005, 05:09:00 PM »
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Just because its bigger.... dosnt mean its heavier...


I know. I was reffering to the relationship between the effect of the wind on the bullet and the mass and diameter. Please read my post again.

(again I am simply neutral here)
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