Should we bring back the Draft to deal with Iraq?

[gixser13]

I would never want to fight next to a draftee.

There are few things more dangerous than a soldier who doesn't want to be there.

I agree 100%

[leadmagnet]

Of course you guys realize, the draft isn't about having a choice.

[-MAD- SARGE]

I would never want to fight next to a draftee.

There are few things more dangerous than a soldier who doesn't want to be there.

I know people who were drafted during veitnam.  Some wanted to be there and were, while others who wanted to be there were denied my the military for medical reasons.  Then I know a guy who was drafted, didn't want to be there, and so smoked the feel good drug to escape it all.  His sergeant asked him why did he smoke that stuff?  He told him because "I don't want to be here!"   For some reason he was always on KP duty!

When in a draft you will get a mix of both kinds.  That is why I am so glad that we have an all volunteer army.  At the same time, if I were to be drafted I would do my duty for my country.

[Cheeze_IZ_G00d]

Of course you guys realize, the draft isn't about having a choice.

That is true, but like I said earlier, the politician who proposes it or makes a real effort to make it reinstated will commit career suicide.

In addition, it is unfortunate that the President can't really do what needs to be done over there in order to finish this war. He encounters opposition every time he tries to spend more money, or deploy more troops, etc. Besides, looking at a death toll and concluding whether or not we are winning/losing a war is not an accurate representation of the way things are going. I mean, right now, we are really just mopping up hot spots. Just because some fucking terrorists blow a car bomb and kill a few people does not mean the whole damn thing is failing.

[Mooncruiser]

No more blood for oil, religion, and Haliburton.

[Cheeze_IZ_G00d]

No more blood for oil, religion, and Haliburton.

There is no doubt that oil was probably a motivation, but, you know what, it does not seem like the war was for oil. I mean, the price per barrel is the highest it has ever been, and gas prices are astronomically high right now. You may have a good argument for religion, but the core force behind the war was to remove Saddam from power and get his WMDs. I believe that just because the UN inspectors did not find them, does not mean they are not somewhere else. Saddam most probably secretly moved his SCUDS to Syria or some other area. However, more importantly, Hussein tried to kill Bush Sr. Now, I don't know about you, but I would try and take down the guy that tried to kill my dad. Oh, and don't try and tell me the Iraqis were happy before the coalition came in because that is BS.

What really needs to happen are restricitions on the media during war reporting. The military has to tip toe around so a camera does not catch them doing something that needs to be done, but may look bad out of context on the 6 o'clock news.

[-MAD- SARGE]

First off, Saddam lost the 1st war.  He signed an agreement to end the war so he would not be invaded. One such agreement was to let UN inspectors into his country to inspect for WMD's and to make sure he was keeping his agreements.  If he did not do these things, which he failed to do by kicking out the UN, he then became in breach of his agreement and war could resume.  Plain and simple to me, others may disagree, but thats ok.

Secondly as Col. McKight said many times before, "one soldier who is lost is too many." But the soldiers are out there to protect our freedomes, if we pull out now I feel that all those who died would have died in vane. We have to see it through to the end like we did after WWII.  Otherwise you will get another korea or veitnam due to instability.

[FLASHinAZ]

No more blood for oil, religion, and Haliburton.

There is no doubt that oil was probably a motivation, but, you know what, it does not seem like the war was for oil. I mean, the price per barrel is the highest it has ever been, and gas prices are astronomically high right now. You may have a good argument for religion, but the core force behind the war was to remove Saddam from power and get his WMDs. I believe that just because the UN inspectors did not find them, does not mean they are not somewhere else. Saddam most probably secretly moved his SCUDS to Syria or some other area. However, more importantly, Hussein tried to kill Bush Sr. Now, I don't know about you, but I would try and take down the guy that tried to kill my dad. Oh, and don't try and tell me the Iraqis were happy before the coalition came in because that is BS.

What really needs to happen are restricitions on the media during war reporting. The military has to tip toe around so a camera does not catch them doing something that needs to be done, but may look bad out of context on the 6 o'clock news.

With a year and a half of chest beating, telling Saddam we were gonna come over there and spank him real good--he had all the time in the world to move any weapons he may have had.
Stupid to broadast to the planet you are going to war isnt it?

As for the newscasters-right-get them OUT and pictures of the troops/war-so they can do what they need to do.
Fact is America cannot wage a succesful war-due to political correctness, and the media.



FLASH

[FLASHinAZ]

No more blood for oil, religion, and Haliburton.

However, more importantly, Hussein tried to kill Bush Sr. Now, I don't know about you, but I would try and take down the guy that tried to kill my dad. Oh, and don't try and tell me the Iraqis were happy before the coalition came in because that is BS.

Yes indeed-Well Saddam is no longer in power, yet our troops are getting killed every day-I do not see the balance there.


Pre-War Iraq was rulewd by Saddam with an iron fist, because Saddam knew that the basic iraqi was spineless, religious drone, that left unchecked would run rampant, loot, kill, destroy,andgenerally go berserk if allowed to do so.

NO DRAFT/REMOVE THE TROOPS/NUKE IRAQ~!




FLASH

[Reaver]

To say that the Iraq war was just for oil is pure bunk.  If we wanted to have cheap oil, we'd have invaded Venezuela.  It's far cheaper to ship the oil from there than it is from the middle east.

  There are a great number of positive reasons for taking down Saddam, and frankly, it would be better to focus on them than churn out a whole bunch of negativity and America bashing BS over it.  

[azsarge]

Motives aside, the conflict in Iraq has proven to be a bit more taxing on the average American citizen than I expected.  As every day passes, I watch America grow more eager to get our troops out of harms way, and back safe and sound on US soil.  It's gone from "Support the Troops!", to "Bring them home!" in a matter of months.

As a soon-to-be-deployed soldier, the only thing I can say to the upset citizens is to not worry.  Don't cry for soldiers, show your support.  We are not comig home anytime soon.  If you want to make life easier for us, ignore the reasons why we are over there, and send pieces of home.  

Send a care package to your troops, not a letter to your politician.

[andyhinds]

Instead of getting more troops, lets listen to the ones who are over there and get them what they need.

[Firehead]

...As a soon-to-be-deployed soldier...

Can I borrow your gear?

Instead of getting more troops, lets listen to the ones who are over there and get them what they need.

Amen to that.

Now, I don't think we need a draft, simply becuase of the fact we have enough volunteers. I've talked to soldiers who have been there, and I have talked to soldiers who will be going there soon, and all have been willing, and didn't regret their time over there. Granted, it may not be the best of living conditions, but they are doing what their country "needs" of them, and doing it as best they can. As far as losing soldiers, its "war", shit happens. You may hear about a single soldier dying, as sad as it is, but compare that to how many people die of random acts of violence throughout the US, or of car accidents, or stupid accidents that could have been avoided if common sense was used. I think our biggest problem in this war is the media. Sure, its nice to hear a few things about how the war is going, but I'm sick of hearing all the negative stuff. You NEVER hear about the power generators we fixed, or the water treatment pumps we installed, or about the medical treatment we have been giving the people that WE are blowing up.

[Mooncruiser]

No more blood for oil ..This is about protecting the oil profits and infrastructure, not about wether Joe Sixpack gets a break at the pump.

Our country was built by people who demanded more. Why now.. Should we heed the word to question nothing, support the war, W is our leader..

What clap. Question everything about this. Use your intelligence and read, look around, talk with others.. Blind "patriotism" is a fool's stance. If your opinion differs from the "norm" then so be it.   ..At least you have one.

If you think this war is just, fine. I do not, nor do I support the war machine or it's Commander in Chief.

Either way, none of us need to be bullied into accepting one view or another, and especially not told to not question this war or it's motives and any "negativity". Look at all the information, make up your own mind.

[gixser13]

Its hard to fight a war when the world is watching and judging our ever move. I feel for our guys right now more then ever. When we were in a state of war it was shoot first ask questions later. Now they are in a police state and there hands are tied! Its NOT SOP anymore