NEW - 134a powered hand grenade

[Bucket]

I just found this on the web and thought it might be of interest. They look pretty good and seem as if they could be reloaded fairly easy in the field. One thing I am concerned about though is the, what looks to be, metal body.

http://www.airsoftdynamics.com/cgi-bin/ ... ESNBBM26A1

Has anybody ever heard about them or tried them?
Would they be "legal" to use in our games?

[azsarge]

Looks like the BB discharge comes out the bottom.

That would make it fairly directional, and would not be good for frag use.

Coupled with the expensive pricetag, I don't expect to see any on AA fields anytime soon.

[Cochise]

Every AA game that I have been to where there has been grenade rules, there has been at least some murmur about people throwing things at other people.  I'd think a heavier grenade would lead to louder murmurs.

Further, it is possible that you can easily lose a $10 grenade with a 3' orange streamer on it.  Imagine how easy it will be to lose one of these!

I think it would be better to adapt a sonic technology into the current rubber grenades.  The major problem with current grenade rules is that most people don't realize how close they are to the grenade as they cannot see it.  A loud alarm would make it easier for the targets to find out where it is and call the "hit".  That is the reason why there are supposed to be only howlers at Lion Claws (though I'd say at LCIV, 75% were nonhowler), so you know where it lands (and have the opportunity to dive for cover!).

[Lasivian]

Hrrm, you can get them for 46$ here:

http://www.airsoft-war4.com/w4_grenade_ ... p?b=Escort

And they list some stats:

Weight: 150 grams

That's 5.2 ounces, hardly something i'd worry about being thrown at me.

Tho I agree it's a little pricey.

[Greg]

Speaking as someone that has been hit in the head by a rubber airsoft grenade, I don't like the idea of that thing for our normal games.

The place where it might be cool is in a rare cqb game, where it could be rolled or thrown underhand into rooms.

[Mooncruiser]

That's a whole lotta money. I'd rather use the streamer kind and keep one of our local guys (Ultor) who makes 'em in cash, also.
Chip

[azmjs]

Its a shame more things like this arent made, an airsoft bazooka sort of thing would be great too.

[Caderade]

I know quite a bit about the grenade...don't waste your money. Yes, it is metal, and yes the bbs only come out of the bottom...kind of pointless. It's better just to point the grenade at someone than throw it. Also, gas does not propel the bbs. A spring does. The gas is used for the time delay. It supposedly has an adjustable time delay on it so you can choose when you want it to exploded.
There has been problems about the metal body as well. It may only weigh 5.2 ounces, but given the right throw 5.2 ounces can hurt alot.
It's better just to wait until they make a frag grenade so the bbs exploded in a radius. Some what like the AG-01...just re-usable.

Hope that helped,
Brian

P.S.-I'm in a real hurry, sorry if a mispelled anything.

[busta_cap]

A rubber grenade probably wieghts more than 5oz...but I dont aim for faces when I throw it...If you get hit with something like that... and you cry ..you are a pansy.

[1trooper, manyweapons]

Hey Busta ., let me throw at you a wooden copy of a AT4.
who needs nades when m80s work. jking

[-MAD- SARGE]

I just won one of these at Irene.  And since I cant quote that useless post that resarted this thread I thought I would actually add to it instead of stating that "yeah a grenade could come in handy."  

Its no more heavy than the rubber grenades that we currently use.  And I would only personally use it to clear rooms in a CQB situation and not in the field as yes, $50 is a waste to loose out in the grass.  So with these stipulations I dont see that anyone could get hurt by one being tossed into a room, as long as you dont see someone and chuck it at them like a baseball.  Which at that point, that person would have a serious problem and would be delt with severly.

For using this grenade to clear rooms I see it as being very effective. The report from the gas in the grenade alone is enough to alert anyone that a grenade went off.  The problem with the rubber grenades is that they bounce quietly into a room and no one knows it was ever there untill some one trips on it. With the gas report, it should be easily reconizable and players are "notified" to look around for the grenade.  In a room clearing you wouldnt even have to place bbs into it, just gas and it would notify the occupants that they are dead in the room that it is in.  I would think it would be hard to miss.  The bbs that fire out are only fired in on direction but are cool to add to the effect.  I would not see that you would need to be hit by a bb to be out, since a real grenade in non-directional. Another plus is that it is a one time use, unless you carry gas out on the field.  Also you can set a timer of sorts to have a 1-5 second delay after the spoon is released.  The main body of the grenade feels and seems very durable.  

Some negatives are that the spoon is not spring loaded and so after being tossed the spoon can come back down to rest on the plunger, effectively stopping the detonation "timmer". The spoon is also made of aluminum and I could see that if someone stepped on it, it would bend easily. The timmer mechanisim so far looks like it could be touchy and if you get it wrong you could possibly frag your self.  I may add to this after I actually use it in a game.

EDIT: oh and someone stated that the bbs are spring propelled.  That is incorrect, they are gas propelled.

[IcePlatinumSky]

Hummmm..... I wonder if one could go to ACE, and get a small spring that one could mount under the spoon to improve on that problem?

[pythonline]

Hummmm..... I wonder if one could go to ACE, and get a small spring that one could mount under the spoon to improve on that problem?

that sounds like a good solution, something you might want to look into sarge.

[-MAD- SARGE]

I have been thinking about that since I wrote that up : )

Also, after some more testing.  The timmer mechanisim is not really reliable.  Sometimes the plunger gets stuck and fails to detonate.  Other times it releases too soon right out of the deployers hand.  I have found that I can find one position on the timmer were it is strong enough not to deploy early.  It will deploy once the nade hits the ground to hopefully jar the plunger loose.  But even then you still have a chance for a "dud".  Looks like this grenade will take some practice to find its quirks in operation, but this can be very effective.  Dave, Gixser used one to clear a room at Irene.

[jwflowersii]

Just an idea, what do you guys think!

You have a grenade shape with a cylinder at the top that holds the bbs.  A part of the grenade is actually split from the rest of it.  When some pulls the pin, the bb's begin to fall into the part that is split.  A timer mechanism in the grenade turns some gears which makes the part that is split began to spin 360 degrees.  As the split spins it fires off the bbs which are coming down the cylinder.  If you have protrusions of various sizes and spaced at irregular intervals it would change the trajectory of the bbs to provide better fragment coverage.  No explosives involved.  Simply centrifugal force propels the bbs.  What do you guys think?

Looking forward to your thoughts on this,
John