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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2005, 10:19:20 AM »
the rank is meant to provide two things only - recognition for established points of accomplishment and success and similarity to military regimental structure and command.

Command structure is an important aspect of battlefield management and its not about ego. If anyone was trying to "be the big boss" they would likely find themselves no longer in a command position.

I only posted to get the name in circulation - and it is. Our mebership is growing, slowly for sure, but it will continue.

Event and training plans are being developed.

The training is going to be local, and the plan is to have it done by well respected former SpecOps service mebers.
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2005, 10:39:39 AM »
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the rank is meant to provide two things only - recognition for established points of accomplishment and success and similarity to military regimental structure and command.

Command structure is an important aspect of battlefield management and its not about ego. If anyone was trying to "be the big boss" they would likely find themselves no longer in a command position.

I only posted to get the name in circulation - and it is. Our mebership is growing, slowly for sure, but it will continue.

Event and training plans are being developed.

The training is going to be local, and the plan is to have it done by well respected former SpecOps service mebers.
Trying to get REAL "spec ops" personnel to train airsoft would be like trying to get a woman to make up her mind, even once you convince them...they probably won't go through with it.. But if they do, that's good. It's funny because I was having a conversation with someone last night about the high number of retired military here in Phoenix and Arizona in general... If you don't personally know someone, there are a lot of guys listed on www.professionalsoldier.com but I doubt any of those guys would be interested. I know a few ex "spec ops" types that would be willing to do this...but either A: they fly out from the east coast, or B: you fly to the east coast ;)

NO matter how rank is organized...unless its like AT a game, it causes problems. Even the most organized teams have problems because of it...in the REAL Army there are punishments for not following orders and talking back to higher-ups... In airsoft people are just like "whatever..." which is kind of ok...at big ops everyone tends to respect the chain of command most of the time because we all want to win and are paying to kick some ass.. but at normal games and stuff like that...it's just lame. I don't want someone telling me what to do I just want to go shoot people. It’s as simple as that. There are already a lot of "teams" in Arizona, in the sense there are "clicks" of people...I ride out to games and play alongside my friends most of the time...simply because I know them, they know me, and we can depend on each other and anticipate each others moves, as well as having common interested in and outside of airsoft...

Try to keep all of that in mind when running an organization.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2005, 11:16:20 AM »
Actually, the real SpecOps guys have on several occasions lookat coming out here, and there are a few here already.

Again, I'm not asking anyone or suggesting you should join. Its out there for those who want what it offers.

And in the REAL Army, you follow orders not out of fear of punishment, but out of respect for the position and command, and dedication to the mission. In the REAL world, not much unlike airsoft, when the shit hits the fan its really only about you and the guy next to you. Take the ego out of the equation when you consider rank and command. Its a method of organization - thats all it is. Every major corporation uses the same management system.

I might have a rank but I don't flaunt it or try to assume command of anything. My position is as an organizer and developer - because I have the vision of where things can go. If I want to feed my ego I'll go to a fast food restaurant or trash someone in court.
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2005, 11:27:50 AM »
You sound like a measured and reasonable man, Doc H.

When the Sh1t hits the fan in airsoft, it's just a teeny plastic .bb being shot at you, hardly a tense situation, IMO.

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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2005, 11:32:04 AM »
Agreed.... but its fun to pretend right? Isn't that why we dump buckets of cash into guns, gear, gas and whatever else to go play GI Joe..? LOL
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2005, 11:35:45 AM »
Right on. I still consider it playing Army or Cops n' Robbers.

I just can't even consider this to be any kind of >mil-sim< ..Just nothing like being shot at with real bullets (and at their range).

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2005, 11:41:28 AM »
agreed.. but there are those who want to rope down a helicopter or jump into an AO (even if only from a Cessna 206) and do some really cool shit like that. Its all good.
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2005, 11:47:28 AM »
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Actually, the real SpecOps guys have on several occasions lookat coming out here, and there are a few here already.

Again, I'm not asking anyone or suggesting you should join. Its out there for those who want what it offers.

And in the REAL Army, you follow orders not out of fear of punishment, but out of respect for the position and command, and dedication to the mission. In the REAL world, not much unlike airsoft, when the s*** hits the fan its really only about you and the guy next to you. Take the ego out of the equation when you consider rank and command. Its a method of organization - thats all it is. Every major corporation uses the same management system.

I might have a rank but I don't flaunt it or try to assume command of anything. My position is as an organizer and developer - because I have the vision of where things can go. If I want to feed my ego I'll go to a fast food restaurant or trash someone in court.
Yeah but, we already have the best Organization here at AA...AA is a BIG thing...I don't think you realize but AA is pretty much the represenation for Airsoft IN Arizona. No other state or organization really has the man power and kicks ass like we do.. Like Dennis said to alot of us : "when the shit hits the fan, 2nd plt Is there and will get the job done."

Having too many "organizations" just brings division to airsoft..and that is NOT what we need, yes there are some people who are going to do that and those people probably SHOULD do it.. ;)
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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2005, 11:54:19 AM »
Not all state organizations are equal in their approach. USAC intends to provide things not currently apparent here in Arizona, not compete with what AA offers. If someone (USAC or otherwise) want to put together a bigger or more realistic event or training than what currently is happening, and has the time and financial ability to do so, how is that a bad thing? How does that divide?
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2005, 12:36:23 PM »
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When the Sh1t hits the fan in airsoft, it's just a teeny plastic .bb being shot at you, hardly a tense situation, IMO.

Happies.
Chip



You havent played in very many AA games have you ;)

Yeah I know the Rds arent real and when you die you can regin,But I can tell you that the effort alot of the guys put in out on the feild you would know it was only a game!!!!!!!

At Serpant Hammer last year we got a praise from Seal Team 6 Commader(REAL SEALS) for takeing a Mountain(Not a pussy hill a Mountain). I didnt know it at the time but the commader had watched 4 of us from Arizona and 8 guys from Kali take this hill hand over hand It was so steep we had to crawl up it.

From what I was told He could believe the intensity level we showed
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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2005, 12:55:34 PM »
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When the Sh1t hits the fan in airsoft, it's just a teeny plastic .bb being shot at you, hardly a tense situation, IMO.

Happies.
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You havent played in very many AA games have you ;)

Yeah I know the Rds arent real and when you die you can regin,But I can tell you that the effort alot of the guys put in out on the feild you would know it was only a game!!!!!!!

At Serpant Hammer last year we got a praise from Seal Team 6 Commader(REAL SEALS) for takeing a Mountain(Not a pussy hill a Mountain). I didnt know it at the time but the commader had watched 4 of us from Arizona and 8 guys from Kali take this hill hand over hand It was so steep we had to crawl up it.

From what I was told He could believe the intensity level we showed


  Agreed.  While the objective is to have fun, its still a lot more fun when people fully buy into it.  If you don't go in with the, "My god, I'm gonna die if I'm not careful," mentality then it's not going to be anywhere near as fun.  After all, the simulation is only as good as the people who buy into it.  :)
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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2005, 12:57:39 PM »
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When the Sh1t hits the fan in airsoft, it's just a teeny plastic .bb being shot at you, hardly a tense situation, IMO.

Happies.
Chip


You havent played in very many AA games have you ;)

Yeah I know the Rds arent real and when you die you can regin,But I can tell you that the effort alot of the guys put in out on the feild you would know it was only a game!!!!!!!

At Serpant Hammer last year we got a praise from Seal Team 6 Commader(REAL SEALS) for takeing a Mountain(Not a pussy hill a Mountain). I didnt know it at the time but the commader had watched 4 of us from Arizona and 8 guys from Kali take this hill hand over hand It was so steep we had to crawl up it.

From what I was told He could believe the intensity level we showed

  Agreed.  While the objective is to have fun, its still a lot more fun when people fully buy into it.  If you don't go in with the, "My god, I'm gonna die if I'm not careful," mentality then it's not going to be anywhere near as fun.  After all, the simulation is only as good as the people who buy into it.  :)


True but I love taking chances (that I wouldn't do on the battlefield) last CQB game, I kept running around the corners, getting my gun off!  :x
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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2005, 01:14:09 PM »
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True but I love taking chances (that I wouldn't do on the battlefield) last CQB game, I kept running around the corners, getting my gun off!  :x


  Yea, but I think we've all done that in Airsoft.  But then of course, dying is half the fun of learning in airsoft.  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2005, 01:35:16 PM »
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When the Sh1t hits the fan in airsoft, it's just a teeny plastic .bb being shot at you, hardly a tense situation, IMO.

Happies.
Chip


Thank god you didn't go to LCIV. That's the atitude that helps us fail. And when the shit hit the fan in the huge, hour long firefights there, when you die.. it's a 30 minute walk and back sometimes. I don't know about anyone else, but I usualy ran my ass there and back.

Sorry, back on topic. Continue  :lol:
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« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2005, 01:54:20 PM »
Pooey. You can play a game, even chess, and get excited about it. Adrenaline is fun stuff. and getting shot at is exciting. But let's be real, it still comes down to a .bb gun war.

Am I against playing hard and trying to win? Nope. It stands that if you participate in any kind of game you should make the effort to win. I just don't get worked up about this "milsim" thang. That doesn't make me play any less harder than I can, but I sure don't get any "ohmigawd" feelings in this.

Been shot and at with real bullets. No regenn in real world. This is a game. Fun game, cool toys, but still toys and still a game.
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