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Offline JesseJamesMcGuire

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I TOLD YOU IT WAS PROPAIN_IN_THE_CAN
« on: July 19, 2005, 09:22:14 PM »
To all who did not belive me.


I found this and JT home page


Green Gas
# Flammable
# Propane based       <----------------------------------NOTE!!!!!!
# Purity: 99.7%
# Water content: 0.005%
# Acid content: 0.0001%
# Silicon content: 0.2945%
# Store below 110°F (40°C)
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 09:41:41 PM »
I'm hoping you sent this via telegraph and it took five months to get here.

;)

We've known this for quite some time now.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 09:57:22 PM »
No Vince, we thought it was Propane in the GreenGas can.Apparently now they use ProPAIN. :P

With all honesty, there is still some debate over what exactly is in the different kinds of airsoft gas.  Some argue that Duster Gas is HFC134a, while some say HFC22, some say CO2.

Jesse, this proves at least ONE of them correct, so thanks for the heads up!
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 10:45:42 PM »
When I was in attendance at GCU I ran an MS test on green-gas to confirm the findings of Carlton Chong. When I received the results I promptly showed them to my O-Chem. Professor (for conformation) who agreed; the ingredients LISTED ON A CAN OF GREEN GAS FROM JT (Ch2 FCF3 Ch3) do not exist in nature, nor does the formula they list work (a typo; I think not).
    My point is that I have done the research, have the data, and followed the scientific process to see what exactly is in Green-Gas for my safety as well as yours. I don’t know about you, but I would not like to be using a carcinogenic propellant.
    One last thing, I tried to obtain an MSDS for JT Green-Gas to no avail, but it’s nice to see a more accurate listing of what is actually in a can of Green-Gas.


Thank you for having an intelligent, non-flam, non-bitch, non-typical AA forum read.


P.S.

Contact Dr. Elizabeth Larson at Grand Canyon University and ask her about this formula

(Ch2 FCF3 Ch3)
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2005, 08:29:30 AM »
This may sound dumb but I really would like to find out.

Isn't HFC134a gas nothing more than freon(?) ?

I have talked to a couple of people who specialized in AC repairs and they said that 143a is freon gas. Is it the same stuff or is it a different chemical composition?
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2005, 09:14:55 AM »
Quote from: "Bucket"
This may sound dumb but I really would like to find out.

Isn't HFC134a gas nothing more than freon(?) ?

I have talked to a couple of people who specialized in AC repairs and they said that 143a is freon gas. Is it the same stuff or is it a different chemical composition?
134a....is Refridgerator coolant..my fridge has about 4.5oz of it inside... The only difference is that these cans are much more compressed and have some silicone in them..
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2005, 09:28:14 AM »
Thanks Busta for clearing that one up. I thought that was all it was.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2005, 09:44:33 AM »
HFC134a, HFC22, and even Propane are used as refrigerants in the aviation industry.

They are used for aisroft guns because of the enormous expansion rate.  

Another gas that I've wondered about using is Butane.  If I'm not mistaken, it is stored under lower pressure than propane, so it probably would not work.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 10:32:41 AM »
HFC22 is used more in homes 134A is used in the auto industry. Word of warrning 134A has gone up from 55bux for 30lds to 300bux.  So anything with 134A will also go up
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2005, 10:37:02 AM »
hfc134a is already 13.99 for a 800ml can...talk about a rip off..I  can get 2kg of red gas for the same price...
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2005, 11:31:41 AM »
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HFC22 is used more in homes 134A is used in the auto industry. Word of warrning 134A has gone up from 55bux for 30lds to 300bux. So anything with 134A will also go up

You forgot Gixser, some of the older cars run off R-12/R-134
R-12 freaking $400+ for 30lb,but thanks to R-12 =  8) nice chill at 30F from the car's AC unit. Ok moveing from one hot temperature to an really cold one,190F outside a cold 30F inside the car, shocking.

I wonder how and when does my neighbor need to repair/refuel this propane burning F150.

This stuff is not cheap.I might be looking for another way to power my gas gun in the near future.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2005, 12:26:17 PM »
I used to have an Annhilator, a .BB submachine gun made in the late 1970's. It ran on R-12 Freon. Back then, R-12 was something like .75 cents a can.

I wonder how nitrogen would work? Paint ballers use it. Hmmm...
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2005, 01:12:33 PM »
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HFC22 is used more in homes 134A is used in the auto industry. Word of warrning 134A has gone up from 55bux for 30lds to 300bux. So anything with 134A will also go up
You forgot Gixser, some of the older cars run off R-12/R-134
R-12 freaking $400+ for 30lb,but thanks to R-12 =  8) nice chill at 30F from the car's AC unit. Ok moveing from one hot temperature to an really cold one,190F outside a cold 30F inside the car, shocking.

I wonder how and when does my neighbor need to repair/refuel this propane burning F150.

This stuff is not cheap.I might be looking for another way to power my gas gun in the near future.



Dude R12 is 850bux for 30lb bottle now. but you can get things like freeze 12.  for around 4-5bux a can. Now freeze12 has propane in it!  

I maintain 140 Transit style School buses for Dysarty High School all of which are A/C cooled with 10-15 lbs of 134A per buse. I buy 3500 dollars worth of freon at a time!
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2005, 01:35:07 PM »
WOw thats a lot of freon.

thanks for the correcting me.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2005, 02:25:38 PM »
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WOw thats a lot of freon.

thanks for the correcting me.



 ;) I have to keep on top of the freon market.
when you buy 10-12 thirty pounders at a time.
Every penny counts
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