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« on: September 09, 2005, 01:07:25 PM »
http://www.azcentral.com/community/west ... all09.html

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all I can add is yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell!!!  (The dumbass kids that pulled this stunt that is)
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2005, 01:57:15 PM »
I agree its dumb and will hurt the sport, but I don't think they deserve to die.  A sh1t load of community service shoudl take care of all that spare time they have to do stupid crap like that.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2005, 02:10:49 PM »
that was a movie tag line... I don't believe in the death penalty... I was just sayin is all...  

however I don't believe that airsoft guns will be banned in an open carry state until real guns start getting banned. And the trend in this country is to lift the gun bans, not make more of them.

IMH (but legally educated) O

a foot note:  these kids are being charged with the same crime as the moron who took a real steel shot at the Mesa police today from the sun roof of his car.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2005, 02:15:07 PM »
I'd like to see some legal action taken against the parents of those kids and maybe the store that sold the guns to them, if it can be proved they knew they were underage.

Some responsibility needs to be doled out here. Put the kids in jail for awhile, fine the adults involved.

Chip
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2005, 02:46:33 PM »
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
that was a movie tag line... I don't believe in the death penalty... I was just sayin is all...  


"...you will burn in a special Hell - reserved for Child Molesters, and People Who Talk in the Theatre"
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2005, 04:28:57 PM »
Parents are liable in tort for the conduct of their children, however, parents can not be held criminally responsible for the conduct of their children. That damn US Constitution again...

of course a "civil" fine can be assesed against the parents as a result of criminal conduct. The real issue here is lack of proper education about firearms and improper "role models" such as movies, video games on top of that lack of education.

When I was in high school we took our guns to school, walked in the front door with them and took them upstairs to the shooting range. NRA safety class was a required PE rotation for graduation back then.

Now the only training kids get is from an MTV video or the like. Its sad.

Again, IMHO
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2005, 05:37:37 PM »
Maybe these kids are just fu**ups, consider that.  Some people are just plain stupid and nothing will change that.
Maybe parents should just slap the kid instead of putting up with crap as I see so many "touchy-feely" ones do.
Well, this is what we all fear, and the news media salivates for.
Want to be a "mentor" to some kid.. fine. I believe having a stiff enough societal punishment for stuff like this will work, too.
Some kids just don't get it..-Did I just say kids? no, some adults, too.. Beat and fine them till they behave.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2005, 06:46:24 PM »
I live and work for Dysart School District
Most of the new transplants over on this side are Kalifonia Liberals nuff said


Oops Typo no such thing as a traspant
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2005, 03:11:24 PM »
Quote from: "Mooncruiser"
I'd like to see some legal action taken against the parents of those kids and maybe the store that sold the guns to them, if it can be proved they knew they were underage.

Some responsibility needs to be doled out here. Put the kids in jail for awhile, fine the adults involved.

Chip


I have an issue with that statement.  I disagree about holding the store liable.  If the parents legally purchased them the store is not liable.  Now if they sold them to the kids and completed an inappropriate transaction.. Then yes let them burn in a special kind of hell.. You know the one reserved for child molesters and the people that talk during movies!!!

I bring this up due to the on going law suits against the gun industry where they are trying to sue stores that sold guns in criminal cases.

P.S.  That episode of Firefly has some of the best quotes and lines..  It also introduces Vera.. Need I say more!  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2005, 07:30:10 PM »
Quote from: "gixser13"
I live and work for Dysart School District
Most of the new transplants over on this side are Kalifonia Liberals nuff said


Oops Typo no such thing as a traspant


Nothing wrong with being a liberal... it's being from Kalifornia that fucks you up :P
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2005, 09:10:06 PM »
Quote from: "Dust2Dust"
Quote from: "gixser13"
I live and work for Dysart School District
Most of the new transplants over on this side are Kalifonia Liberals nuff said


Oops Typo no such thing as a traspant

Nothing wrong with being a liberal... it's being from Kalifornia that fucks you up :P


I second that response!!!

I think that the store shouldn't be held liable because I know for a fact that JT makes every person that purchases a weapon, sign a waiver that states that the store is in no way, shape, or form responsible for the actions of the person purchasing the replica weapon.  In otherwords, if you hurt someone, or hold up a bank, you can't blame the store.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2005, 10:17:49 PM »
Yeah, except in Arizona, waivers indemnify the party from nothing, they have no legal value in this state due to certain sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes.
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2005, 10:48:55 PM »
those kids should be expelled...or something. way to taint out fair sport. :(
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2005, 11:31:09 PM »
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Yeah, except in Arizona, waivers indemnify the party from nothing, they have no legal value in this state due to certain sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes.


depends on how the waiver itself is carried out, i believe.

if its just some parent signing 'i wont sue you' paper... ya... not really to valid.  But if its been set up by a lawyer (the waiver, that is), and then the waiver has been notarized... you're going to have a bit more of an obstacle to get around in court...

Elsewise, why would arizona even bother with waivers in the first place...?
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2005, 07:48:49 PM »
"Yeah, except in Arizona, waivers indemnify the party from nothing, they have no legal value in this state due to certain sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes

depends on how the waiver itself is carried out, i believe.

if its just some parent signing 'i wont sue you' paper... ya... not really to valid.  But if its been set up by a lawyer (the waiver, that is), and then the waiver has been notarized... you're going to have a bit more of an obstacle to get around in court...

Elsewise, why would arizona even bother with waivers in the first place...?"


Not that I would know anything here but waivers can have legal force - and it has nothing to do with a lawyer or notarized signatures.

The caveat is that a waiver is a written expression of a defense to a tort before the tort occurs. For example, negligence requires a showing of a breach of a duty of due care that actually and proximately causes measurable damage, without a valid defense. In Arizona (and the majority of jurisdictions) certain defense will prevent a plaintiff from recovering. For example, assumption of the risk - meaning the defendant was fully informed of the risks involved in certain conduct, and concurrently with that knowledge the defendant engages in the conduct anyway, to his or her benefit. Another defense is comparative negligence -the plaintiff failed to meet the duty of due care for his or her own protection and was negligent him or herself and that actually and proximately caused, in some percentage, his or her damage. The Plaintiff's recovery is reduced by the percentage of his or her own negligence.

The law generally does not allow minors to "waive" into the assumption of risk because a minor is presumed incapable of fully understanding the risks of certain conduct. Neither does the law allow someone to "waive" for another person because knowledge of the risks is measured by a subjective standard. This means a parent can not sign a waiver for their children to create a bar to suit. The minor's claim does not fully mature until the minor reaches 18 and only then does the statute of limitations begin to run as to the minor. The only legal claim a parent can waive in regard to a minor is the PARENTS' right to sue for their out of pocket medical expenses in treating that minor.

Certain sports have been granted statutory protections, such as horse riding. In these instances a waiver that meets the requirement of the statutes will bar suit so long as the waiver was entered into willingly.

That said - no matter what you do by way of legal protections, you can still be sued. Maybe you will get out of it on summary judgment - maybe not. Either way its going to cost you to get there, and you don't get attorneys' fees in tort actions.

The upside is, based on the games I have been to so far locally, there is no "defendant" to sue other than the individual who causes the injury. Like the guy who lost his tooth in Prescott. He could still sue the person who shot him and broke his tooth, because his waiver only applies to AA. But AA is not a corporal entity that can sue or be sued - so AA really can't be sued anyway. Even if he could identify the person who shot the tooth, he still was knowingly playing in an activity that can cause harm, and maybe he failed to use protective equipment that was reasonably available(full face mask). He would loose the suit unless he could prove intent to harm. But intentional torts are a whole other subject.....

Doc
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