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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2006, 08:03:08 PM »
When I turned 35 years old, I was kind of bummed because I thought that I no longer had the option to join the military.  I don't really think that I ever will, based on the fact that I could have for the last 18 years and haven't.  Having a family and kids of your own changes your perspective....ANYWAY...it sounds like they are kind of desperate.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2006, 10:57:50 PM »
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Why, because you'll have to buy all your own uniforms and have to pay for chow, sir?

 :lol:

Chip, roger that.  It's been around for some time now.  I got some guys joining my unit that were in the AF.  Aside from the fact that everyone gives them sh*t for being in the AF, they are pretty squared away compared to a young private fresh outta BCT.

It's like the difference between a prior-enlisted 1LT, and one that's fresh from ROTC.  :?
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2006, 11:10:34 PM »
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It's like the difference between a prior-enlisted 1LT, and one that's fresh from ROTC.  :?


So how bad are the college boys compared to the mustangs, is the disparaity in terms of quality enough to make you think twice about working with one?
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2006, 12:18:27 AM »
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It's like the difference between a prior-enlisted 1LT, and one that's fresh from ROTC.  :?

So how bad are the college boys compared to the mustangs, is the disparaity in terms of quality enough to make you think twice about working with one?


I will never NOT work with someone in the military unless my life or limb are at risk.

That said, consider this.  Prior enlisted officers have been enlisted, and some have even deployed as enlisted.  They are familiar with the advantages and shortcomings of each paygrade, and know what to expect.  They know how to lead, because they've been a follower.

However, even though ROTC-grad LTs are new to the game, most have been to the same "hooah!" schools (airborne, air assault, etc), and there is much to be said for the ROTC curriculum.  

I won't say I "respect" the BTDT enlisted-turned-officers more than the cheery-ass LTs, but there is something about them that seems to make for a better leader on the average.

Now, my CO was enlisted, then turned Warrant, then got a direct comission.  He's a 1LT, but knows more about how rank structure works and what to expect from everyone than most O-4s.  

Shit, the AZ Adjutant General was enlisted, Warrant, and got a Combat Comission in Vietnam.  He's been "all 3", and he knows his shit.

So, that's the long answer.  

Oh, I forgot to mention the simultaneous membership program.  It is where ROTC cadets serve as enlisted during college in the state National Guard.  They also make for some very informed, well-rounded leaders.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2006, 12:19:36 AM »
The biggest annoyance with a ROTC Lt. is they have this "power" being commisioned...But no real knowledge of the army.  ROTC only shows them a certain point, and being around and working with lower enlisted/officers/non commisoned officers gives a different view.

It shows in how they operate with others, in how they give down orders and tasks.  A lot of times they come off with a holier than you attitude and treat the non-comissioned officers like crap...even though they absolutely need them to get anything done effectively.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2006, 03:22:46 PM »
My Great Uncle would completely agree with you Bob.  He was in the Army Air Core  and finally retired as a LT. Col or as a Col. He was a capt for ever as he could never butt kiss the right people. That's probally because he never did any of that : )  Any ways he said that when he was a Captain he really appreciated his NCO.  He said if you have a good sergeant, he will take care of you and get things done.  He laughed and said at one place he was stationed at half of the time he didnt know what was going on. His NCO would just ask him for his signature and away he signed. He said that without a good NCO an officer is in trouble. Then he jokingly told me to go and kick that Colonel's butt at Irene  :lol:
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2006, 04:41:41 PM »
I agree 100% with everything said here. I work with some awesome NCO's at the detachment. Our Master Sergeant is one of the coolest guys I've ever met. And I can undersanad everything you said Bob. They instilled my class from the very first day about how important it is to treat your enlisted personel well. When you come into the military fresh from ROTC it's worse than you guys think. The cadets have been trained to be leaders. But they don't know much about the structure of the military. And then suddennly you get put in command of 100+ people and you're clueless. You have to learn quick, and you do. But guess who teaches you? Your NCO's. That's why I have the utmost respect for all the enlisted and the senior NCO's. When I commission as a 2Lt (assuming I'm not training to be a pilot) the first people I will go to for help in my unit with be the senior NCO's.

The senior enlisted members of the military will always be held in the highest regaurd in my mind.
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