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Offline Bobaganoosh

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2006, 11:17:35 PM »
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I have to ask, have you shot it yet?  :D


Wouldn't it be hard to find ammo for a gun that old...? Also i'm sure the fact that he didn't know what type of gun or even that it was japanese wouldn't help...
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2006, 11:25:19 PM »
True...

I thought maybe he had some rounds for it at least...

Do you have any ammunition for it?  Or is it like hella hard to find?
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2006, 11:34:17 PM »
Type 38 long rifle
Caliber   6.5x50SR   
Overall length   1275 mm
Barrel length   800 mm   
Weight   4.12 kg   
Magazine capacity   5 rounds

Type 99 short rifle
Caliber   7.7x58   
Overall length   1150 mm
Barrel length   656 mm   
Weight   3.8 kg   
Magazine capacity   5 rounds
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2006, 11:41:40 PM »
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Type 38 long rifle
Caliber   6.5x50SR   
Overall length   1275 mm
Barrel length   800 mm   
Weight   4.12 kg   
Magazine capacity   5 rounds

Type 99 short rifle
Caliber   7.7x58   
Overall length   1150 mm
Barrel length   656 mm   
Weight   3.8 kg   
Magazine capacity   5 rounds

Ok, so then...

Quote from: "ValhallenAngel"
It's roughly 50 inches in length, or 1270mm.


Would that allow us to draw the conclusion that this is a Type 38?
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2006, 11:42:43 PM »
I thought that too, but it resembles a Type 99 more..Check the bore if you can.,
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2006, 02:53:18 AM »
I must congradulate Bobaganoosh on his outstanding Paint SkillZ.
Much better than even I could have done.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2006, 10:48:38 PM »
I'm a little scared to fire it with it being all rusted to hell. I am gonna ask a old marine buddy of mine to help me with the restoration and location of ammunition.

But I'm sure it's a type 38 look at the minute body differences and the slim design. Now from al the info I've gathered with the help, I've determined it was made around 1920 or so for Para-military or training purposes. The symbols on the top are TBD but a friend of mine says it could mean "High Quality". It was found by a Navy cadet who was in the Pacific during the war I'm calling for more info on its origin tomorrow hopefully.

What should I look for in the bore exactly, it's kinda hard to see inside without taking it down and a bore light.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2006, 10:57:37 PM »
if you do decide to fire make sure its not a HOT load or new type RD which it shouldn't be in your case. Alot of the older gun cant handle even store bought loads now


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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2006, 11:12:04 PM »
valhallenangel said:

"What should I look for in the bore exactly, it's kinda hard to see inside without taking it down and a bore light."

If it's the rifling that you're talking about, just look through the barrel in the light, and you should see a spiral like patern of about 4-6 grooves going down the length of the barrel...

I feel a lil' dumb cuz i have a feeling that that is not what you're asking, but if it is... that's the rifling in the barrel.  Put's a spin on the bullet to improve accuracy, velocity, and distance... much like how a hop-up system in an airsoft gun puts a spin on the bb to keep it in the air longer and improve accuracy.  

Again, please excuse my stupidity if the rifling in the barrel isn't what you meant by what to look for in the bore...   :oops:
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2006, 12:27:59 AM »
Lol...  I know what rifling is. I just can't really see down it to see the rifling.
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2006, 01:44:19 AM »
K.  See, i knew you did, that's why i felt stupid... :P

I see what you mean tho, you can't see it.  I'm sure any kind of bright light will work...
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2006, 10:51:17 PM »
I confirmed it was found on a dead soldier in the pacific, and taken from his cold hands.... Kinda creepy having it in my room but it's also an honor.
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Look in the bore...
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2006, 11:09:19 AM »
What he means by looking in the bore is probably determining the actual caliber. The type 99 is the 7mm JAP (or 7.7mm) round while the type 38 is 6.5mm. A simple bore gauge would clear up the issue. Also, if you do intend to shoot the rifle, have it checked by a competent gunsmith first. It also helps to know the caliber so you can buy ammo for the gun. Just a thought.

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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2006, 12:13:59 PM »
Don't worry I'm not shooting the thing till i know its safe... I checked the firing pin, and it looks to be in premo- condition.
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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2006, 12:42:33 PM »
Quote from: "ValhallenAngel"
Don't worry I'm not shooting the thing till i know its safe... I checked the firing pin, and it looks to be in premo- condition.


You would probably want to check the headspaceing also, with some go and no-go gauges.  But like Rev said just take it to a decent gunsmith to get checked out first and he will do all that.
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