The great Debate High caps Vs Standards,mids & lows

[gixser13]

Just wanted to get feedback from all you guys about this issue. The trend is leaning towards standards(No winding type mags)

Me personaly I love the idea of NO high caps. I think High caps are turning this hobby into Paintsoft. TOOO many spray and prayers out there.
 Now don't get me wrong there is a need for support type AEGs Saws M60s and RPKs for suppression. But there should be a limit to how many are on the field UNLESS the Saw is running  the 100/200 Rds boxmags


What do you guys think....

Ammo supply has always been an concern  with warfare and another way to beat the opposing forces is to cut the supply line.  With Super Ubber High caps and battle load outs of 10,000 rds . We will never achieve  a real Milsim feel

[jwflowersii]

I completely agree with you on this.  I love having to conserve ammo and having to reload.  The only problem is when the other guy has a high cap and you're a dead duck.  I wish AA rules would just ban hicaps.

Just my two cents.

[JesseJamesMcGuire]

I think only heavy gunners or support should have HI cap and everyone else must use standard.

Not only would this improve our realism factor, but this would make it imperative to team play instead of the rambo players that I see all the time.

[mp5 fan]

I haven't been out to a game yet, but there is a great deal of logic here.  I would think 50-60 round max per magazine.

Just my .02

[gixser13]

I understand that it may take 2-3 bbs to do the job of a rd we are simulating and like my M14 there are only 470 and 80 rd mags on the market at this time.

I think 68 rds mags would be perfect for our games, The 120s could be used and not frowned upon.

For a CQB type event I would have to say Stars 30rd Mags or a 30rd load on a 80-120 rd mag would also work

[Silverman]

I've got only one hi-cap, the rest are mid-cap.  I personally like the mid-caps better, it's got a pretty good capacity without being never-ending.  Actually needing to reload now and then adds a little extra realism (plus, it kind of ruins the immersion if you have to wind the mag after every few bursts!)

I'm still new to the hobby, but it seems like most of us should be able to get by without 300+ round magazines.  Hi-caps still make perfect sense for SAW gunners, of course.

Maybe we could just make this part of some scenarios?

[azsarge]

I will echo the previous posts by saying Stds only.

I've always chosen them over Hicaps, when I had a choice.  I've never bought a HiCap mag.

For support weapons, it's a different story.

That said, putting a bipod and a boxmag on an M16 DOES NOT make it a support weapon!

[gdaqb]

I personally use low caps and midcaps, I think some of the most fun I've had in a game was when I ran out of ammo and had to dive down and reload under fire.

However, a ban on highcaps might not be a good idea to attract newcomers, new people who just shelled out 300 or more dollars for a good aeg to get playing, might not want to spend another hundred to make a loadout with low and midcaps. Also for people who buy a Classic Army or ICS gun, are they supposed to just put their only mag aside?

[Daytr8er]

I am pretty new at airsoft (haven't even been to a game yet,) and all I have are 4 hi-caps.  I didn't even know there were other magazine types out there until a little later. So what if I/we just shot in semi-auto only?(except for heavy MG's of course) I think that this would level the playing field quite a bit.  Also, I believe it would be easy to know if someone was cheating by the ROF and the noise.  Hell, I would perfer to play this way.

Just my  two cents

[Mooncruiser]

It's a game, not real war. Highcaps are just another dimension, another problem to work out by outflanking the shooter.

Sometimes it makes the game harder. I like that. I haven't seen a situation yet that makes for a position that can't be taken. Toss a grenade, shoot a howler, snipe 'em, whatever it takes.

Chip

[fathamburger]

I personally use low caps and midcaps, I think some of the most fun I've had in a game was when I ran out of ammo and had to dive down and reload under fire.

However, a ban on highcaps might not be a good idea to attract newcomers, new people who just shelled out 300 or more dollars for a good aeg to get playing, might not want to spend another hundred to make a loadout with low and midcaps. Also for people who buy a Classic Army or ICS gun, are they supposed to just put their only mag aside?

Hear hear, but I'm also speaking as someone who uses hi caps just because of cost. If you could get midcaps for a similar bang for buck I'd go with them. I do think reloading needs to be part of the battle.

[gixser13]

For you guys with just hi caps you can use a Pistol bb loader and load two empty mags with them that should give you 75-80 per mag, They will rattle like hell but that will simulate a mid cap pretty well

[SilentDragon]

I personally dont like Hi-Caps... like gixser says, it's turning this into "Paintsoft."  

I enjoy the game because of the realism and strategies available, unlike with paintball.  When i think of paintball, first thing that comes into mind are those goofy ass lookin' guns with a big ass hopper sittin on top in the way of the sights!  And with a 200+ round hopper, anyone and everyone does the same thing when they see someone... SPRAY AND PRAY!  

When it comes to airsoft, i like to play with as much realism as possible.  Only two mags i own for my AK are the standard one, 70 round mags.  I think even 70 rounds is too much.  There are 30 round mags available, but i realize that i'll get torn apart on the field against you guys.  So 70's cool.  I just really enjoy the realism though... seriously, you dont see war footage from Iraq with our men winding their guns up from the bottom of their mags and just start spraying an endless amount of ammo!  When i play, i try not to spray at all, but conserve my ammo... all you need is ONE shot for someone to call "hit."  It kinda takes the fun out of it when you're stuck in a corner, or surrounded by guys with HI-caps and don't even aim, just shoot... and shoot, and shoot...  Seriously takes the fun out of it.  

Last game i found myself in between two trees and hiding below the height of small bushes.  Two of my enemies came into the area, and i stayed quiet, and waited for a good chance.  After suprising them and taking fire, it was cool to lay on my back and switch mags while enemy fire was whizzing past my head.  

I'm totally with mid-caps/low-caps... and anyone who uses hi-caps do only two things... make it harder for me and whoever else DOESNT use those rattly, annoying little toys (even though the guns are toys too, the fact of winding a magazine just makes it even more of a toy), and take some of the fun out of the game.  I could go on about this topic, but i'm sure no one cares about what i have to say, and will probably delete my post.

Oh, and not to mention, i dont like the fact that i would have to wind my gun up after every 30 shots or so, and not have to switch mags.  They also tend to start rattling as they get low in ammo... big disadvantage if you're trying to be sneaky  .  I like the standard mags and their method of feeding the bb's into the gun.  No noise, no winding, just load, and unload... then switch!  

I rest my case saying that Hi-Cappers should join the realistic players and stick with the low and mid-cap mags... for the sake of realism!!!  It would really make the game more interesting if EVERYONE had to reload after taking 50-70 shots... (my AK unloads one whole mag in about 8 seconds...)

[-MAD- SARGE]

I personally dont like hi-caps, due to the fact that they turn an M4 into a support weapon. Which it is not!  I agree, games would be alot better if everyone had some sort of standard mag and leave the support fire to the real support weapons.  I agree, standards can be more costly for what you can get out of one hi-cap but I paid the cost to add to the game for me and for others. Oh and everyone probally doesnt need 14 standards on them, I personally used four mags for ever and recently upgraded to 6.

Also I found that for outdoors the 3 to 1 round ratio works well.  If you could get someone with 1 round, it usually takes 3 rounds before they notice that they are hit. This is due to gear, adrenaline, noise, ect. And I also agree with Dave, for CQB 30 rounders would all that be needed. Due to the close ranges people will definately feel those shots and the action is fast paced as it is in CQB.

[deathbydanish]

I'm meeting you half way there man, I've got at least a dozen STAR 30 round mags for my M4. I'm thinking about getting some for my MP5 as well.